I always wanted to play a MMO like WoW but the long term price was longer then what I liked.
and the amount of time I can play games it to low for it to be worth it.

Yeahhhh, that last line sums it up pretty well.

a state your are confronted with on a daily base ?

Personal experience, i could only stomach it a week...

Two weeks when i played on week one year, and one week another year.

So... yeah...

Can you connect a normal HDD to this new console or is it another special SSD that only works with the Xbox?

For external storage, not sure. For single player games i remember swapping to a larger hard drive for the 360. But if you go online, if the drive isn't signed or have a specific feature saying it's legit they may refuse to let you download or use it at all...

So.... I'm going to say... No?

I'm also going to say yes if you want to play media (movies/music) from it but nothing else.

Well since i've integrated computers into my life as a hobby feeling confident spending at least a whole 600 euro's on average a year i say....

you are somewhat right but, i did notice official xbox and playstation storage expenders

By all technical means you shouldn't be limited. But the need to DRM everything because someone might copy their game and share it with someone.

And 'official' ones, certainly would work. But looking how they treated 360 players who put in a larger (but not official, yet much cheaper) storage device in, getting their profile marked as hacker, cheater, or just refusing to let them online. How far that goes i'm not sure. But as we don't know what's in the OS and what measures they are doing, it could be as light as just no multi-player, to bricking your console until you put in a new official drive.

Agreed: Games (especially long ago) used to often give users install size options, and didn't always require huge HDD space requirements or that all users install all/most of the data to play.

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Having access to more disc space is a thing, but:

1. Not everyone can afford it, or can switch out their drive(they might have limited drive bays) atm.

2. It's (imo) no decent excuse for a company to take advantage of such being a thing(bigger HDDs) just because some can obtain them.....especially when they could likely just as easily cut back to save the consumer some disc space.
(For instance, I recall long ago when game makers tried to cut back on space.....in part in some cases as they knew consumers sometimes had little space available.....it's partially why some games have install size options in many older games)

To be clear I am ok with some games having optional larger install sizes(the space used after install by the unpacked files), but I wish some would "cut the bloat" a bit....like if users were ok with lower quality graphics to save space, for example.



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Yeah, companies thinking stuff like "The player has a bunch of space....we'll just leave the assets uncompressed like this" also irks me a bit.

i just remembered reading or hearing about similar acts of uhm the small letters on the back side of the contract. consoles are of course more easily to control in such a way. And companies hiding behind their rules which on one side is very effective since stories like those get out real soon but on the other hand should expect somewhat more of a softer touch which is to expensive to review on a case per case basis hence the strict following of the rules without remorse

Being called a hacker for nothing is indeed a shame, like you spend time in prison as a innocent.... Of course the real perpetrators are the people that force companies to use such strict rule sets and not the companies them selves but alas don't kill the messenger right?
i do understand what your getting at but c'mmon friend, game sizes around 40 gb are more then common these days and you know that a triple A title can easily ask more if you only look at the single players we have at our hands

the last 5 years only the cheapest of premade shop ready systems are sold with only 500 gb's of space but most of the time it will be more, for example my mum bought a pc 6 years ago for maybe 400 euro's and it had both a small 250 gb ssd and a larged 1000 gb HDD, which of course her diligent sun over the years created into something more for this time using spare parts from his machines

And a good bulk of that is graphics data(video and textures).

Heck, I remember playing NOLF 1/2 and those games are nice enough looking and sounding, and use very few GBs...like around 5 or less each. Now we have games over 40GB, and sometimes over 80GB.

(And in the future of 4 and 8K graphics, that size limit is likely to increase exponentially)

Imo there is no need for all that extra space used just for a bit better looking graphics.....at the very least companies should offer higher detailed graphics as optional to save people disc space and DL time/etc.

The thing isn't that people can get bigger HDDs, but that they (imo) shouldn't have to to play some new games.

In the past devs were nicer and made games that installed on smaller HDDs and ran on "potato level" HW so that more could play in a good number of cases....sure, they also usually had better graphics and install options, but they were often optional.

Also as said above re: 4/8K: If games go that route it's possible we'll see 200+ GB games, which will chew through even some bigger consumer level HDDs like popcorn.

i just took a moment to look through the common deals one of the larger warehouses in the netherlands " mediamarkt " is rich to check on their offerings.

funny enough most " all in one " desktop offers, be it one from 600 or 1600 euro's almost all come with 512 gb of storage space

the game pc's i'm looking through now under a 1000 euro's ( without a monitor i belief ) all have the 256 gb ssd and 1 tb hdd in common ( now there you have room but huge loading times )

let me check a view more from between 1000 and 2000 euro's

1300 euro's 512 gb ssd+ 1 tb hdd
1700 euro's 512 gb ssd + 1 tb hdd ( in case you are wondering this is a i7 10700f with 16 gb's of ram and a 2060 super )

ACER PREDATOR ORION 9000 at 3699, 99 euro's

1 tb SSD and 3 TB HDD ( i9 9900k, 32 gb's of ram and a 2080Ti

So yea you do seem to be a bit right about this though downloading games and creating room on your disc by finishing other games is of course a well known ritual for any crazed gamer computer user

it seems i'm ahead of my time btw with 2 x 500GB m.2 drives and a 4 tb HDD ;)

That may be the case for other users on other stores and others in general, but you seem to have forgotten one thing: a good number of those who frequent the GOG forums like to backup their installers. ;)
(which takes up space.....even the installers can be many GBs)

(Also a good number in general like to hoard data, movies/games/photos/etc, which also eats up space...especially 4K movies and such)

If games and movies go to 4K/8K even that might not be enough to last o.0

(Heck, some users here have NAS arrays and use a ton of space already on just GOG backups)

With the original game in question, it was the speed of decompression was too much, because the game they were making used... too many textures? too big of textures? Needed to make things too photo-realistic? I don't know, but the time to uncompress textures and put them in the GPU was too much somehow... I'm not sure. It was just stupid.

not always though

in mass effect andromeda you have the choice between compressed and uncompressed textures and uncompressed needs a whole lot more calculations, i can't even run the game without fast movements lagging here and there, the game does look a whole lot better btw ... almost bought a hdr monitor for that silly game to see what would happen then but i guess that will probably be an option with the next major system upgrade now due for in about 4 to 5 years

so yea personally i am someone who sees the worth in those steps but i'm also pretty dutch in tryin to wait for the best moment to invest on a normal budget in hdr and maybe 2k/4k

..... and that took me the better part of a night to realize at 3.30 am.. ah well, sleep is overrated right especially if you have important stuff to consider such as ... who has the biggest dick ;)