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Posted December 03, 2017
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AdvThruGames: they have apologised for some of the unnecessary and inflammatory words uttered by staff at the company.
No they haven't. They have proffered excuses and PR-speak. If there has ever been a proper apology I have never seen it. Care to enlighten me?
Posted December 03, 2017
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AdvThruGames: Some of the players desire to be served an enhanced edition. ...
Others have replied adequately to this part of your post, so I'll just comment on this:
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AdvThruGames: As for the "SJW writing", blah, blah blah
What part of "Neither of these affects me in the least" didn't you understand? You missed my whole point: whatever lessons Beamdog learned, they weren't ones I wanted them to learn, so stop saying, "they learned their lessons, so give them a break.".

PS. Learn to quote properly. Quoting an entire long post just to respond to the last paragraph is wasteful, confusing and inconsiderate. I guess I should applaud you for at least not top-posting.
Posted December 04, 2017
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AdvThruGames: Some of the players desire to be served an enhanced edition. ...
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darktjm: Others have replied adequately to this part of your post, so I'll just comment on this:
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AdvThruGames: As for the "SJW writing", blah, blah blah
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darktjm: What part of "Neither of these affects me in the least" didn't you understand? You missed my whole point: whatever lessons Beamdog learned, they weren't ones I wanted them to learn, so stop saying, "they learned their lessons, so give them a break.".

PS. Learn to quote properly. Quoting an entire long post just to respond to the last paragraph is wasteful, confusing and inconsiderate. I guess I should applaud you for at least not top-posting.
I disagree with the point you're trying to make, plain and simple. You weren't the only one I was quoting anyway.
Posted December 04, 2017
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AdvThruGames: they have apologised for some of the unnecessary and inflammatory words uttered by staff at the company.
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Hickory: No they haven't. They have proffered excuses and PR-speak. If there has ever been a proper apology I have never seen it. Care to enlighten me?
Alright, my bad. There is no evidence that they have apologized for anything recently. That was an assumption on my part. They should have apologized for their "positive review begging".
Posted December 04, 2017
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Hickory: No they haven't. They have proffered excuses and PR-speak. If there has ever been a proper apology I have never seen it. Care to enlighten me?
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AdvThruGames: Alright, my bad. There is no evidence that they have apologized for anything recently. That was an assumption on my part. They should have apologized for their "positive review begging".
That's quite an assumption. They also should apologise for depriving eager and willing customers a choice of which game they wish to purchase and reverse the decision forthwith. They also need to start telling the truth. They lie. They lie every time they open their official mouths. Don't take my word for it, do the research.
Posted December 05, 2017
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AdvThruGames: Okay, fair enough... Then Wizards of the Coast has entrusted them with the remastering of the games. Seems like anyone who takes issue with the fact that the originals are being remastered, or with the quality of the remasters, should perhaps escalate their complaints to them if Beamdog's words aren't good enough?
I might agree with that if WotC hadn't shown over the years that they have no real interest in the D&D gaming license, as evidenced by the fact that D&D was a really big deal in western RPGs in the early 2000s (i.e. a few years after they bought the D&D IP) and is next to irrelevant in gaming now.

It's perfectly obvious that complaints to WotC would only fall on deaf ears. I'm honestly not even sure how Beamdog convinced them to do remakes of older titles, considering how little interest they've shown in doing anything in the video games market.
Posted December 05, 2017
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mystral: It's perfectly obvious that complaints to WotC would only fall on deaf ears. I'm honestly not even sure how Beamdog convinced them to do remakes of older titles, considering how little interest they've shown in doing anything in the video games market.
It probably went something like this:

Beamdog: "Yo, you have Magic the Gathering games on Steam, but no D&D ones? WTF, bro?"
Wizards of the Coast: "Meh."
BD: "People keep talking up these classics. Steam users don't give a crap if there are other available options. They just like their stuff in one place. All we have to do is say we 'enhanced' it and people will pay hand over fist, dude. Just give us a shot."
WotC: "Okay, we don't care anyway."
BD: "We'll also charge for what used to be free extras. People like paying $10 extra for soundtracks."
WotC: "Sounds like a plan."
BD: "Yeah, we'll also need to get rid of those pesky old releases on GOG so the people on Steam don't get butthurt about getting an inferior version. But we'll let them bundle the oldies with our new surefire hits. Out of the kindness of our hearts."
WotC: "How slightly less sleazy of you. Make it so!"
Posted December 11, 2017
My interview with Beamdog CEO, Trent Oster:

https://lilura1.blogspot.com/2017/12/Neverwinter-Nights-Enhanced-Edition-Interview-with-Beamdog-CEO-Trent-Oster.html

Also, about 700 modules for NWN listed in alphabetical order, with core modules highlighted and some commentary:

https://lilura1.blogspot.com/2017/12/Core-Neverwinter-Nights-Adventure-Modules-and-Campaigns.html
Posted December 28, 2017
Will support mods?
Posted December 28, 2017
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darktjm: I disagree with almost everything you said here. As I pointed out earlier, I dispute your first claim. While they do have the legal right, moral rights are a matter of opinion, and I don't believe they did anything to earn that right. It is impossible for them to make substantial changes without introducing incompatibility, and, in fact, they have already done so with what few changes they have made.

This entire remake is pointless. If Beamdog had the skills you claim, and the desire to actually serve the players, rather than their own wallets, they would make a new game. Even this travesty of an update would be more acceptable if they included an actual content expansion of the scale of SoU or HotU (but, given SoD was a "new game", I'm not sure they're capable, and I'm sure they would sell it as a separate product). Obsidian made PIllars of Eternity as an homage to the IE games, rather than trying to claim ownership of BG and make unnecessary lore and engine changes. inXile made TIdes of Numenera rather than trying to claim ownership of Planescape: Torment and making unnecessary lore and engine changes. Both of those companies had more people involved with the original products than Beamdog appears to, and they did the right thing. Were their new games good? Who cares? More games is better than hanging on to the old stuff forever, especially if hanging on means making gratuitous incompatible changes.

To be fair, from the credits and intro of NWN's manual:

Trent T. Oster
Producer—Neverwinter Nights
BioWare Corp.

It's always hard to tell how much executives actually contributed to the product, though, and they're always listed in the credits. Note that Cameron Tofer is nowhere in the credits.

Ah, another "they've learned their lessons" believer. They have learned how not to anger some of the people over their decisions. No more SJW writing? Better QA? Neither of these affects me in the least. No, they do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. When Stig79 called them for what they were going to do, people like you jumped in and said "give them a chance!" Then they made their announcements and FAQs, and showed that they were still pulling the same old crap. Apparently that still isn't enough to convince you that they don't deserve a chance.
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AdvThruGames: Some of the players desire to be served an enhanced edition. You might feel differently, but there ARE people, myself included, who want a version that runs on modern operating systems with minimum fuss and hassle, has basic features like widescreen support, and has at least major bugs from the original fixed. Granted, Beamdog isn't guaranteed to deliver on that, but I guess it's up to each individual to decide whether they trust Beamdog enough to buy their remaster. It is unfortunate that they will most likely remove the option of buying the original version digitally, like they did in the past, but there's little we can do other than speak with our wallets. I for one do not mind supporting them, as no company is perfect, and they have apologised for some of the unnecessary and inflammatory words uttered by staff at the company. As for the "SJW writing", I assume you are referring to Siege of Dragonspear, but I am not sure where I fall on that as I have not played that game. I will say that including trans and LGBT characters is not automatically a bad thing, nor does it need to screamed against from the rooftops. Perhaps they didn't write as well as they could have, but I can only judge that by seeing said writing for myself.
Sooo true!
Posted December 29, 2017
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Elisebathe: Just checked on GOG, and yes, apparently they are, but only here. I wonder why they did not do the same thing on Steam as well. That still means that they are going to ignore platinum and diamond edition...
Your post is almost a month old but, the reason that Steam didn't get the original BG games is because it never had them to begin with on the platform. The current versions were packaged by GOG (fixes, compatibility, etc.) and I think even Gamersgate (the only other place to buy them digitally) sells a 5-in-1 GOG package.

So while the Plat version won't be on Steam for licensing reasons, the GOG version will probably include a copy of Diamond. 90% chance or higher of that. Especially since it's been free anyway, no company has anything to lose from it.

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darthvictorbr: Will support mods?
Good question. Do the new/current EE games support mods? I've been wondering about that.
Posted December 29, 2017
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MaximumBunny: Good question. Do the new/current EE games support mods? I've been wondering about that.
According to Beamdog, it will support all previous mods that the latest version supports. Whether you believe Beamdog or not is another matter.
Posted March 28, 2018
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AdvThruGames: Some of the players desire to be served an enhanced edition. You might feel differently, but there ARE people, myself included, who want a version that runs on modern operating systems with minimum fuss and hassle, has basic features like widescreen support, and has at least major bugs from the original fixed. Granted, Beamdog isn't guaranteed to deliver on that, but I guess it's up to each individual to decide whether they trust Beamdog enough to buy their remaster. It is unfortunate that they will most likely remove the option of buying the original version digitally, like they did in the past, but there's little we can do other than speak with our wallets. I for one do not mind supporting them, as no company is perfect, and they have apologised for some of the unnecessary and inflammatory words uttered by staff at the company.
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Cavalary: So you're using your right to freedom of choice as the justification to take away that of those who'd make a different choice?
Usually what they do is take the original off the store but when you buy it you can download and install both the original and the enhanced editions.
Posted March 28, 2018
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Engerek01: First, I have nothing against Enhanced Editions. Although I "know" that Beamdog is a shaddy company, deliberately giving false information about their games and removing evidence (like bug reports which happened to me twice).

For me, GOG meant Baldur's Gate, Ice wind dale, Planescape Torment and Neverwinter Nights. It was Fallout (1-2), Gothic, Arcanum. Those were the reasons I joined GOG and now have 570 games in my library.

Now that Beamdog corrupted those first 3 games and forth on the way, it no longer feels like the GOG I joined. GOG NO LONGER HAS THOSE GAMES.

I am done. If the original NWN is off the shelf like the previous titles, I am done.
This is ultimately why I don't buy from GOG anymore. I've seen them more as preservers of beloved classics. When they work with shady companies to bundle gaming's greatest with bug ridden garbage editions... what's the point?
Posted March 28, 2018
So this just released on Steam, when does it come here?
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