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AB2012: You can't treat them as "cold storage" like optical backups.
True, especially for flash-pens, they die out pretty fast if they're not used regularly.
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nightcraw1er.488: It just shows 0% fragmented if I look at the ssd in windows. Never seen it do a defrag on it, probably as you say, it’s all instantly available regardless of position so why bother moving it.
Back in the olden days there used to be more in the way of fragmented files. Now it's more a matter of ensuring that files that are frequently used together are all in the same place. So the only reason to defrag an SSD is much less likely to occur.
1. Windows 10 only does NTSF and doesn't allow any different file systems
2. one unless you plan on having a linux drive then linux will make it own partitions
3.Idk
4. you can run games from both
5. Not really.
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aCyborg: 1. Windows 10 only does NTSF and doesn't allow any different file systems
False. It can read and format FAT32 just fine.
I don't believe the OS itself can be installed on a FAT32 disk, but that's something else.
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Navagon: The only thing I'd add to the first post is that you don't need to defrag it very often if at all. Certainly don't allow a routine defrag to be scheduled. If you need to be sure, type defrag into the run bar and see what it says.
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timppu: Yeah, I am unsure if Windows 10 really tries to automatically defrag SSDs as it (apparently?) does for HDDs.

My understanding is that "defragging" doesn't bring any advantage on SSDs. It is useful only in spinning HDDs where the mechanical head has to search for data all over the plate(s).
Windows 10 never defrags an SSD; it's actually bad for its lifespan and unnecessary.

HDD= Defrag
SSD= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trim_(computing)
Post edited October 03, 2020 by teceem
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aCyborg: 1. Windows 10 only does NTSF and doesn't allow any different file systems
Windows supports NTFS, exFAT, UDF, and FAT32

And with a driver it can even read and write to ext3/ext4.
Post edited October 03, 2020 by sanscript
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aCyborg: 1. Windows 10 only does NTSF and doesn't allow any different file systems
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sanscript: Windows supports NTFS, exFAT, UDF, and FAT32

And with a driver it can even read and write to ext3/ext4.
The ext3/ext4 thing... Windows 10 doesn't do that, external software does. (if we're being anal about it ;-) )
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teceem: The ext3/ext4 thing... Windows 10 doesn't do that, external software does. (if we're being anal about it ;-) )
It's called being a pedantic arse. But I guess it takes one to know one :P
Post edited October 03, 2020 by sanscript
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teceem: The ext3/ext4 thing... Windows 10 doesn't do that, external software does. (if we're being anal about it ;-) )
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sanscript: It's called being a pedantic arse. But I guess it takes one to know one :P
Buttt... am I still a pedantic arse in this age of entitlement? :-)
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nightcraw1er.488: For backup ssd is not a good idea, price per tb is huge, and I am given to understand hdds last much longer. Also, if it’s backup you need more than one, preferably 3 with one being offsite. Hence cost is much more.
Tbh I mainly got SSD for such a it doesn't need to be plugged into a wall socket as well and can fit in my pocket....so I spent a bit more for it.

Also I only want to archive atm and not backup(beyond some stuff which I have several copies of on various drives)...yeah, backup is better, but I cannot afford to go that route atm.
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nightcraw1er.488: I made a post about it some time back and whilst that is mostly nas, das (direct attached storage) is what you want. Plus you will a tool like freefilesync to automate backups and only change new things otherwise you have a huge copy each time.
Nice.

Sadly, though, I cannot afford such.

(I could barely afford the external, and mainly got it as juggling a bunch of flash drives was starting to become a hassle(and cost too much for the space gained))

Still, if I ever get a windfall i'll keep all that in mind.


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timppu: How much did you pay for it?
80 bucks plus tax for 2TB.....I could've gotten a lesser model with 5TB for 20 bucks more, but I wanted to make sure it was of good quality.

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timppu: I'd prefer an USB HDD myself as they are much cheaper, and much of the SSD speed goes to waste through an USB3.0 port I think, but whatever... At least it isn't as prone to physical shocks when in use I guess, but then my USB HDDs have lasted several years of heavy use anyway.
This is good to know.

As for speed: It will mainly be for storage of installers and movies and shows and such, so speed shouldn't hopefully be much of an issue(?).

(I'll likely keep games on the main internal drive, which this new drive was bought to clear space on btw)

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timppu: Another thing you should consider at that point, will you make it MBR or GPT? I'd go with GPT unless you need to use it also on some old Windows XP machines or such, which you probably don't. (Or is SSD GPT-only, and this question is relevant only for HDDs? I am not sure...)

If the drive was over 2TB in size, then you wouldn't have an option anyway but to go with GPT, as MBR limit is 2TB.

EDIT: I guess this is relevant:
Thanks for the info and links...will look into it when setting it up.
(First have to organize the files i'm moving over to it)

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timppu: Not sure what there is, but try to switch off any "file indexing" etc. services for that drive so that you don't end up in being unable to disconnect the drive as Windows always reports it as "busy", even though you are not doing anything with it anymore nor have any open files. It is just the stupid Windows itself or some utility (virus scanner?) keeping it busy for no good reason.
Read this already somewhere but thanks for reminding me and also giving me confirmation on this.

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timppu: Oh and check the properties that the drive is more geared towards fast removal, rather than cacheing everything. The latter may give better performance for some cases I guess, but then what I explained above might be more common, as well as file system corruption in case there is a system crash or power blackout or whatever.
Will likely disable such caching and set it for fast removal as(as said above) I will likely mainly or only be using it for storage and movie/show playback
Post edited October 04, 2020 by GamesRater
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aCyborg: 1. Windows 10 only does NTSF and doesn't allow any different file systems
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teceem: False. It can read and format FAT32 just fine.
I don't believe the OS itself can be installed on a FAT32 disk, but that's something else.
you can read it but can you can't install the OS on that file system I thought
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AB2012: Yes. Power them up at least once per month. Flash cells can and do "leak" charge electrically faster than mechanical HDD's degrade magnetically, and unpowered data retention is an issue for backup SSD drives. Eg, if you did a backup to 1x HDD and 1x SSD and threw both of them in the back of a cupboard for 18 months continuously unpowered, the HDD would read fine but the SSD may well degrade enough to be corrupt. I've seen an 18-24 month old SSD come out completely blank (not even a file system / partition information) due to severe cell leakage whilst 15 year old HDD's are still fine. This doesn't mean SSD's are unsuitable for backup drives, but you do need to power them up periodically to allow the SSD controller to perform normal duties like cell voltage monitoring and correction / silent background refresh. You can't treat them as "cold storage" like optical backups.
Well, I will likely be copying new data every few weeks at least to the drive(when needed), so I should be all set on the "use it regularly enough" front. That said, thanks for the tip.

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AB2012: Depends on the game. A USB 3.0 SSD should be fast enough (slower than internal but fast enough for smaller games) and many games are "portable" but if you've moving the drive between computers, you may have issues with missing registry entries, etc. Config / save game files also need to backed up separately as they're usually stored under C:\Users\Username, or "My Documents", etc. I'd recommend something like GameSave Manager to handle that stuff.
I'm likely going to keep the games on the main drive, but this is also good to know.

(Also thanks for the save manager link....been lazy about it, but some day need to back em up more regularly like with other data)

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sanscript: While you're messing with fsutil:
It is enabled....also when I have time I will check out those links as well, so thanks.



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aCyborg: 1. Windows 10 only does NTSF and doesn't allow any different file systems
2. one unless you plan on having a linux drive then linux will make it own partitions
3.Idk
4. you can run games from both
5. Not really.
Thanks to you as well for weighing in.
Post edited October 04, 2020 by GamesRater
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timppu: How much did you pay for it?
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GamesRater: 80 bucks plus tax for 2TB.....I could've gotten a lesser model with 5TB for 20 bucks more, but I wanted to make sure it was of good quality.
Those are hard drive price ranges, not SSD prices of any sort, if you bought something new legitimately (not used and not fenced stolen goods). If you think you are talking about your new SSD, then it would seem you bought the wrong thing.

But perhaps I misunderstood the context, and you are actually talking explicitly about some hard drive.

Overall you got a lot of good advice and comments in this thread. The one post that said some factually incorrect things wouldn't lead to you changing your behavior/decisions anyway, and hence doesn't matter, other than underscoring that it's unwise to rely on a single source for information, which you already knew. Everything else seemed pretty good.
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faroot: Those are hard drive price ranges, not SSD prices of any sort, if you bought something new legitimately (not used and not fenced stolen goods). If you think you are talking about your new SSD, then it would seem you bought the wrong thing.
It seems it is an HDD, as found out through talks with another user earlier. Will update the OP post in a sec.

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faroot: Overall you got a lot of good advice and comments in this thread. The one post that said some factually incorrect things wouldn't lead to you changing your behavior/decisions anyway, and hence doesn't matter, other than underscoring that it's unwise to rely on a single source for information, which you already knew. Everything else seemed pretty good.
Yeah, I didn't want to mess my new purchase up, so I figured i'd ask those in the GOG forums what they thought first....and I waited to see several people weigh in so as not to reply on one source only.

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To all: It turns out it is an HDD, albeit a nicer one.

With that in mind I ask the same quesitons in the OP post again, if anyone wants to weigh in.

Also....should I let windows defrag it or should I do that myself with a third party tool?
(I hear WIN10 does it well, but dunno if I should let it or use a third party tool when I need to defrag)
Post edited October 04, 2020 by GamesRater
Just use it as it is.

DON'T PANIC!

Take a towel and some peanuts if needed.

It is not magic!


Edit: and never use any of the crapware thats waiting to be installed that comes on the drive.
Post edited October 04, 2020 by Sachys
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Sachys: Just use it as it is.

DON'T PANIC!

Take a towel and some peanuts if needed.

It is not magic!
First off: Nice references in this bit

That said, I figured some more wizened users might have some tips and advice to share with me, including things I didn't know about or hadn't thought of....so I made the thread for that.

It seems my fellow goggers(goggites?) didn't disappoint....I got some good tips and links, and to those posting such I am thankful.

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Sachys: Edit: and never use any of the crapware thats waiting to be installed that comes on the drive.
Gonna ditch the bloatware, if any.....will also probably do a format and only keep the ntfs drivers.
(I read about them being an optional DL i'll need to do when reading the short blurb on the drive itself)
Post edited October 04, 2020 by GamesRater