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Sweet Baby Inc had a hand in the destruction of a lot of these studios. As well as all the NGOs who dictated terms to game studios. Make it this way or else...
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timppu: Well, as the old Chinese proverb says, you can't make an omelet without eggs.
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Timboli: As I recall it, it is as follows.
You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs.
Well, mind is a terrible thing.
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Timboli: As I recall it, it is as follows.
You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs.
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timppu: Well, mind is a terrible thing.
I heard it as "Don't count your eggs before they're omelette."
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lupineshadow: I heard it as "Don't count your eggs before they're omelette."
Not heard that one before.

It's probably all about the context in which you use it I am guessing.
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timppu: Well, mind is a terrible thing.
You can never be too old to misremember or forget things.. LOL
Post edited March 07, 2024 by Timboli
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Unseen39: They actually got a game about killing, skinning and eating human beings now. We have a right as consumers to say these companies who make stuff like this might be mentally insane or even evil to sell asphyxiation snuff towards 3d female models.
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Time4Tea: All I really have to say about it is: if you don't like it, then don't buy it or play it. Just ignore it. Why does it bother you so much that other people are enjoying these things?

We've had some pretty sick stuff going on in horror movies, animes etc. for many years now. Are you going to go on a crusade against those too? Many books could be mentioned that feature some pretty sick, sadistic scenes ...
Toons and fictional survival situations don't equal criminal bs that actually kills real people everyday.

Just saying I don't see anything appealing about playing a scumbag fantasy.
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Unseen39: They actually got a game about killing, skinning and eating human beings now. We have a right as consumers to say these companies who make stuff like this might be mentally insane or even evil to sell asphyxiation snuff towards 3d female models.
What game is that? I don't think I've heard of it.
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Unseen39: [...]
Just saying I don't see anything appealing about playing a scumbag fantasy.
then I have the perfect solution for you - dont buy and play those games. problem fixed.
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Unseen39: They actually got a game about killing, skinning and eating human beings now. We have a right as consumers to say these companies who make stuff like this might be mentally insane or even evil to sell asphyxiation snuff towards 3d female models.
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CthuluIsSpy: What game is that? I don't think I've heard of it.
The closest game that fit that description I can think of, is Tormentor from Madmind studios.
(https://store.steampowered.com/app/1493440/TORMENTOR/)
Post edited March 08, 2024 by amok
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Unseen39: [...]
Just saying I don't see anything appealing about playing a scumbag fantasy.
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amok: then I have the perfect solution for you - dont buy and play those games. problem fixed.
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CthuluIsSpy: What game is that? I don't think I've heard of it.
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amok: The closts I can think of is Tormentor from Madmind studios. (https://store.steampowered.com/app/1493440/TORMENTOR/)
Ah, so a game from an independent developer, who also happened to make Agony and Succubus, games which are also known to be needlessly gorey and edgy and just exist for shock value to make up for their (apparent, haven't played them just going by feedback) mediocrity
I really don't see the issue.
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amok: then I have the perfect solution for you - dont buy and play those games. problem fixed.

The closts I can think of is Tormentor from Madmind studios. (https://store.steampowered.com/app/1493440/TORMENTOR/)
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CthuluIsSpy: Ah, so a game from an independent developer, who also happened to make Agony and Succubus, games which are also known to be needlessly gorey and edgy and just exist for shock value to make up for their (apparent, haven't played them just going by feedback) mediocrity
I really don't see the issue.
aye, Agony is full of bugs and just dont play well. Succubus is OK, but quite boring and mediocre to play. They only sell becuase 'edgy' and if you are lucky you may see some tits
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u2jedi: Sweet Baby Inc had a hand in the destruction of a lot of these studios. As well as all the NGOs who dictated terms to game studios. Make it this way or else...
What does Sweet Baby actually do? I know they are apparently a consulting company for the video game industry (which sounds stupid. Video game margins arnt that big) and help stories add more diversity. However, they arnt the only one in the field.

I do think Sweet Baby is more of a side-effect than a root cause of the issues in modern gaming however which is skewed priorities. I mean can you imagine a company like Sweet Baby existing in the PS2 or 3 era? Carmack talked about how "story in a game is like story in a porn movie, expected to be there but its not important." What is important to a game is mechanics, level design, boss fights; not story. Honestly, who really cares about a video game story? You want a thought-provoking story? read a book which can actually offer multiple viewpoints, give insight into the characters' thoughts, and has characters make set decisions and actions that reflect on that character. Most "deep" video game stories are poor rehashes of popular movies anyway.

The fact that companies like Sweet Baby exist and make money is because publishers and developers are focusing on the wrong things imo. Making games look prettier. Hiring Hollywood actors to voice characters. Spending big bucks which should go to more important things like testing, more devs to work on the game and not suffer from crunch time. However, it is a sad fact that the best selling games are still EA sports-disguised casino machines, Call of Duty but worse, and GTA which is honestly a very mid open-world game compared to others Ive played. I honestly havent finished GTAV yet but have done RDR2 and despite agreeing that it is a work of art for creating such a huge and beautiful world, the game is incredibly boring with terrible combat. The Yakuza series, Batman Arkham series, or Sleeping Dogs are just far superior and far more fun.
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Mori_Yuki: This sounds like Kant's categorical imperative. He was stressing the importance of acting out of a sense of duty rather than inclination or desire, which is one of the central aspects of his moral philosophy. ;-)
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Ascetical: Yes, you are most likely correct because what you said is pretty much what I meant. I think I know now whom I'm going to read about next.
Reading Adam Smith's The Theory of Moral Sentiments, and maybe also Wealth of Nations, may also be an interesting and rewarding endeavor for you to undertake. Don't turn to secondary literature, but do your own reading, thinking, and come to your own conclusions when you do.
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: The fact that companies like Sweet Baby exist and make money is because publishers and developers are focusing on the wrong things imo.
Publishers and managers are focusing on money, first and foremost. By being ESG and DIE compliant, they get more favorable loans from investors, a large part of which comprises of companies like Blackrock and Vanguard. What constitutes being ESG and DIE compliant, you might ask? It's not something to be discussed on these forums without risking bans.

The job of companies like SBI (you are correct that they are not the only one, far from it in fact) is to improve those two ratings. By any means necessary. Making good games first has not been a priority in the AAA sphere for a while now (the recent Suicide Squad game is the perfect example of that). And that goes for entertainment in general, not just games.
Post edited March 09, 2024 by idbeholdME
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: The fact that companies like Sweet Baby exist and make money is because publishers and developers are focusing on the wrong things imo.
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idbeholdME: Publishers and managers are focusing on money, first and foremost. By being ESG and DIE compliant, they get more favorable loans from investors, a large part of which comprises of companies like Blackrock and Vanguard. What constitutes being ESG and DIE compliant, you might ask? It's not something to be discussed on these forums without risking bans.

The job of companies like SBI (you are correct that they are not the only one, far from it in fact) is to improve those two ratings. By any means necessary. Making good games first has not been a priority in the AAA sphere for a while now (the recent Suicide Squad game is the perfect example of that). And that goes for entertainment in general, not just games.
Makes sense although its sad. So the cause of DEI comes from these funds and "consulting" companies like Sweet Baby are just there to get some of that money from this artificial industry. I guess AAA and now AAAA games (thanks Ubisoft lol) are so expensive that publishers need to take out loans to develop these games. Due to the higher risk, these games also need to be "safe" and appeal to the widest audience possible, hence why every game is generic and pretty much plays the same but with a different coat of paint. Although lacking a little polish and I do sometimes find issue with controls, AA and indie games are better and more interesting in that regard.

Maybe Fink has good intentions (climate change is a problem that needs to be addressed) but his implementation sucks and its clear he isnt a creative and that has had a bonkers impact on entertainment as a whole. Hollywood really hasnt produced much of note (I enjoy the Boys tv show) but Im honestly more focused on consuming older media because even the new stuff that is considered "amazing" just isnt as good.
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idbeholdME: Publishers and managers are focusing on money, first and foremost. By being ESG and DIE compliant, they get more favorable loans from investors, a large part of which comprises of companies like Blackrock and Vanguard. What constitutes being ESG and DIE compliant, you might ask? It's not something to be discussed on these forums without risking bans.

The job of companies like SBI (you are correct that they are not the only one, far from it in fact) is to improve those two ratings. By any means necessary. Making good games first has not been a priority in the AAA sphere for a while now (the recent Suicide Squad game is the perfect example of that). And that goes for entertainment in general, not just games.
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Tokyo_Bunny_8990: Makes sense although its sad. So the cause of DEI comes from these funds and "consulting" companies like Sweet Baby are just there to get some of that money from this artificial industry. I guess AAA and now AAAA games (thanks Ubisoft lol) are so expensive that publishers need to take out loans to develop these games. Due to the higher risk, these games also need to be "safe" and appeal to the widest audience possible, hence why every game is generic and pretty much plays the same but with a different coat of paint. Although lacking a little polish and I do sometimes find issue with controls, AA and indie games are better and more interesting in that regard.

Maybe Fink has good intentions (climate change is a problem that needs to be addressed) but his implementation sucks and its clear he isnt a creative and that has had a bonkers impact on entertainment as a whole. Hollywood really hasnt produced much of note (I enjoy the Boys tv show) but Im honestly more focused on consuming older media because even the new stuff that is considered "amazing" just isnt as good.
Fink is a spook and climate change was made up by the Jacobs, the same group that started the Manhattan Project.
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Unseen39: Love me some quake2 and the strogg are very brutal. But I don't get into being a scumbag but killing scumbags. Hell I'm even a little hesitant to buy dungeon keeper on here cause the idea of making demons and orks to go purge innocent women and children kinda doesn't sit well with me.
I don't recall such in Dungeon Keeper, or feeling specifically evil being doing evil things, while playing the game.

I do recall some snobbish and holier-than-thou knights attacking my underground lair though, trying to "free" the world from "scum" like me. I'm sure the European invaders felt the same way when they entered America, just getting rid of the "scum" that existed there already.

I recall when I first bought and played the original Tie Fighter, i was like "Huh? So I am going to play for the evil Empire? How's that going to work then, why would I even want to?".

Yet, Tie Fighter somehow managed to give a new point of view for the Empire, how they saw themselves as the stabilizing force that upholds peace in the empire, while the rebels were basically terrorists trying to cause anarchy. Or something like that. Quite refreshing in a way.

Is it that different from real world, where everything is not always black and white? Whose the bad guy, israelis or palestinians/arabs? Depends who you ask.

However, for some reason I don't ever really select so-called evil characters in e.g. RPGs. Then again, I try to avoid goody-good paladins and such as well, in case they will limit my gameplay style, like what weapons I can use and shit. I prefer balanced characters who have maximum freedom in their actions, just in case.