GameRager, where do you get off calling me wrong?
Do you know when Cleve first submitted Grimoire? Of course you don't. What was the price Grimoire was being sold for when he first submitted it? Guess what, exactly the prices I stated depending on when he submitted it. So who is the one who is wrong here. YOU!!!!!

What a stupid argument. That I'm wrong because the game received a price drop months after it was submitted? And that wasn't GoG's doing, the price was dropped on Steam first, like almost every game where the Steam price is the starting point.

Grimoire, you mean the game that was review brigaded by Cleve fans with fantastic reviews claiming "Cleve is a God" "The best RPG ever made"? And with a GoG User Rating that still only ranks 1594 out of 2684 by review score? The 1788th out of 2684 bestselling game on GoG? And if we eliminate the free games and "coming soon", that's 1788/2588?

Wow, great sales there...but please don't let the truth get in the way of your false narrative. Are these sales "decent enough"? For a game with a subpar user rating both here and on Steam? Meaning future sales will suffer.

And all this for Vendetta, one of the worst games on Steam in the bottom 10% of review scores and still asking for $29.99 after being abandoned by the developers...a game pretty universally panned.

The person constantly wrong is you. You do no research, you talk out of your behind. And you think you can insult people with impunity but they are wrong when they tell you to "Friendly Off" for your insults.

[Modded by Bookwyrm627: Please refrain from insulting other users.]

Can you please answer my questions about Vendetta?:

1. Has GOG or the developer/publisher ever shared reason for the rejection?
2. Are we sure it is because of programming/glitches?

If I see something that's wrong or I think is wrong, I say so...same as anyone else. That's how debates usually go, as well.

You were wrong on the NEW price when it got released here/was re-submitted, though, which was what I was talking about.

You were still wrong on the eventual price here.....which you don't seem to want to admit for some reason.

(Also I am genuinely curious: Is it really so hard for you to say "i'm wrong" or "I was wrong" from time to time?)

That still likely means it sold decently enough to make GOG some money.....which AGAIN is what should matter most....now whether anyone(even me) wants a game to come here or not.

As the saying goes(more or less): "(GOG)Don't care....got paid"

(For the games they accepted so far, I mean)

Even IF it came here for that price(I don't think it would), who cares?

Some games I dislike that are sold here are much higher priced and sell well enough, and there's always SALES for the rest of us who want it.

And you as well, from time to time.

I am at least willing, though, to admit when I am wrong...are you willing to do the same?

I don't need to do research on the claims you made.....you made the initial claims that the game would fail here, would be high priced, etc....it's on you to prove that, not for me to disprove it.

(i.e. burden of proof)

Now proving my own points true WOULD be on me to prove(not the counter points I made, but points I made of/on my own here).

It's not insulting to criticize people, and IMO not unreasonable to get a bit upset when people(such as you in this case) insult others for no reason.....especially when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand & detracts from the conversation.

I don't...I just have little tolerance for ANY who are/seem to be rude types who treat others like dirt for no real reason.

Also you want to talk like a sailor? Fine, we can go on a chan site or reddit and do such, but please try to show some decorum and respect here.

I have playde unpolished and unfinished games, and they were mostly from abandonawre sites, but to actually pay for a broken game, is a huge no-no. I mean it's reated neagtively on Steam, the dev clearly gave up, there is no noticable community effort to mod the game (or fix it), so why bother.

I don't think people would pay 50 cents for this game, and even if it came to GOG, people will probably refund it immediately, now that the new policy is in place.
Ok, so even if it the game came to GOG, it would just get negative reviews, and nobody will probably get it, ultimately just sitting there taking space.
What the game needs is a comeback story, where the devs sat down and worked hard fixing the issues, and not just rebranding the game, hoping that nobody would notice.

The only evidence of a rejection is a response from a TopWare representative who supposedly said:
"GOG did not activly said No. But they did not pick it up."

Which makes it sound as if Topware offered a bunch of games from their catalog and GoG chose others not including that one. No timetable given.

TopWare games accepted by GoG:
Dream Pinball 3D (29% positive from 305 reviews)
Earth 2140 (54% positive from 148 reviews)
Earth 2150 (71% positive from 308 reviews)
Earth 2160 (68% positive from 504 reviews)
Enclave (73% positive from 1421 reviews)
Gorky 17 (82% positive from 642 reviews)
Jack Orlando (63% positive from 180 reviews)
Jagged Alliance 2: Wildfire (72% positive from 612 reviews)
Knights and Merchants (84% positive from 1538 reviews)
Robo Rumble (67% positive from 9 reviews)
Septerra Core (79% positive from 357 reviews)
Two Worlds (72% positive from 1781 reviews)
Two Worlds II (58% positive from 3159 reviews)

Vendetta (45% positive from 168 reviews)

It's got a better rating than Dream Pinball 3D. And more reviews than RoboRumble and Earth 2140, but I'm not sure that says a lot...

Decorum and respect? From you?

I guess insulting people, lying about what they say, making disingenuous arguments, calling them "The Boy Who Cried Wolf", and telling them they should get mental help is your version of decorum.

Piss off, troll!

I was not wrong. It's a stupid argument to call someone wrong about a price just because that price drops months later.

Cleve supposedly was talking to GoG in 2018. Those were the prices the game was being sold at depending upon when. It looks like he was unhappy with the sales so he dropped the price to $19.99. I guess it still wasn't selling well, so he dropped it further and started offering it on other storefronts. It should be obvious that GoG's curation made their decision based on the price it was offered for at the time of the rejection, be that $39.99, $34.99 or $19.99 as a base price.

How you try to spin this as I'm somehow wrong about the price (because it was reduced) and since I was supposedly wrong, I'm now somehow wrong about Vendetta is just baffling and illogical...

And how you keep trying to spin a game at #1788 out of 2588 in the catalog as "making GoG some money is just silly. How much did GoG spend to bring it here in testing costs, administrative costs and having a lawyer draw up a contract? Assuming the deal was 30% (where GoG absorbs the processing fees), how much did GoG actually make after their costs? You don't know that and neither do I. It's a bad argument that any sales are a profit because that just isn't true at all.

I'd like to ask everyone in this topic to be polite. Again...

It's just a game, and there is absolutely no reason to insult each other because of it. The world will not end if this game appears or doesn't appear on GOG.

Relax, take it easy! (:

Most of these games were released on GOG in 2009:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general_archive/topware_interactives_classics_filling_gog_coms_virtual_shelves

The first mention of the GOG version of Raven's Cry from a TopWare representative was in 2014 (before the release of the game).

I think that GOG wasn't satisfied with the quality of the game and decided to postpone the release (that's why they "did not activly said No"), but then Raven's Cry was withdrawn from sale for polishing.

Later, in 2017, TopWare released three DLCs for Two Worlds II on GOG. No one (except TopWare and GOG) knows if they tried to release Vendetta here at that time.

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I really hope that now you folks will finally stop insulting each other.

Peace!

Yes, have I told you to fk off or said you were dumb/blind/smoking something/etc?

(I have actually edited a ton of stuff I could say to you and want to out before posting, to show civility and decorum & try to keep the good bits of the debate going)

Let's break this one down:

1. Lying? I might've gotten some things wrong, and when I did I apologized. A few example would help if what you thought I lied about.

2. Insulting people? Do you mean the silly pics/stuff I said when your insults got to be too much, when I brought up you being wrong in the past on such things(not all the time, just here and there), or just me criticizing you/your stances?

If it's the pics/silly posts, I did it because you are rude and swear/insult people's intelligence and seemingly have a big ego concerning such matters & it all got irritating(to be honest it still is a bit)....but I agree I could/should lay off of such, and I likely would if you'd post more posts like post 260/etc.

If it's the bringing up when you were wrong...it's to show that you are not always right, so that can be taken into account when weighing your predictions...and to maybe get you to self-reflect a bit as well/maybe show some humility.

If its the criticism, it is not meant to be seen/taken as insults.

3. Telling people to get help...that was done in good faith, as you seem to need such help with some anger/etc issues, and I said it as one who also needed help on issues in the past who can see the potential signs of others who might also need such help.

4. "Crying wolf": It worked in that reply, imo, and is much more civil than telling people off as you seem to be doing every so often.

5. Disingenuous arguments: I posted what I thought and am not trying to lie or misrepresent anything or anyone...but if it seemed that way then point it out and i'll try to clear it up or explain it better if possible.

You were wrong about the price that game sold for once it was released here, NOT the price the dev wanted originally.

Even if he DID drop it you were still wrong about what it eventually DID sell for. Ir didn't sell for the price you said it would when it released here, is what I meant by you being wrong.

Because if you're wrong on some similar things you might be wrong again(key word: might).

Now IF you're right i'll gladly admit being wrong, but until then/the game maybe gets released here we just have to wait and see.

And you seem to think it's a net loss....if it is 1788 out of 2588 that means it didn't likely sell just a piddling few dozen copies.

Also if your summation/idea is right then around half the catalog was a bad choice to bring here by GOG. ;)
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Addition: To see how to express one's dislike of this game, everyone with such stances should go read ColaPoweredGamer's, NightCraw1er's, and Chris's posts.....they showed their dislike and did so without insulting anyone, etc. That is the kind of post I like, even if I disagree with some of what they said.

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Agreed....heck, if it doesn't come here I could buy it on steam. I just want it here for everyone who doesn't ever use steam to have a chance at it(even if it has bugs and a good number dislike it).....especially if it will sell well and help GOG....but I will respect GOG's choice even if it never comes here(though I might grumble about it rarely or ask others about it...etc). :)

First off: could the owner of all the (likely someone else's alts) accounts needed to get rwarehall's/other user's low rated posts from there to high(and nearly everyone else's to low rated) please either post and show your face/name & tell us why you care so much about rwarehall and their opinions or not bother coming into the thread if you dislike what's being said by us so much.

(It is also disrupting the thread for those of us who want to discuss the topic at hand to have to deal with a sea of hidden posts/red marks, and obviously those doing so have no interest in joining the current conversation)
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That said, I just want the game here to get it/see if it's any good(or as bad as claimed) and show GOG some love with some of my money in the process.

If it gets here, good....if not, that's fine as well.....I just want to talk with those who also want it here in peace.
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That said, let's all go for a drink/bit to eat....all of us, on both sides....we can hash this all out over a pint and some grub....sound good? :)