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nightcraw1er.488: I don’t know how you think the AoE or C&C remakes added anything.
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Dreaganos: What ?

From Mobygames about the C&C Remake

Aside from new graphics that can be toggled on and off in singleplayer, both games come with a new multiplayer system, fixes for old bugs, new audio system containing various music variants (original, OST disc, remastered, bonus tracks by Frank Klepacki and The Tiberian Sons, unreleased tracks), quality-of-life improvements (unit type select, skirmish AI in the original Command & Conquer, multi-queues in the sidebar, replay system, etc.), and a map editor. Original cutscene tapes were not found, but the existing ones were upscaled through AI algorithms. Completing missions unlocks bonuses in the gallery in the form of never before seen footage behind the scenes and development photographs for both the original games and the remastered release.

The team had feedback from a group of 14 community members to help steer the project in a direction that would satisfy the fan base.
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Dreaganos:
What’s your point? I briefly played AoE on the C&C remake, nothing wrong with them, didn’t see anything to make me go wow other than larger screen size. Perhaps some artwork or slightly different music means more to you. Perhaps the fact that I played them to death when they came out means I can’t see anything new. You can’t recreate a time gone by, do something original. And I also not that none of these games are on here, even originals.
It does seem like everyone is jumping on the beamdog wagon and slapping a widescreen mod on an old game for piles of cash. Sure some are better than others, none of them however are new, and in a fair few cases like amular for instance, introduce a load more issues.
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Orkhepaj: Same here , this is why these remasters should not continue , these are more like scams than actual improved products.
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StingingVelvet: It's amazing how few of them are clear improvements.
This is unfortunately the case most of the time. Hard Reset Redux is basically a graphical downgrade, Serious Sam HD has content cut out due to engine limitations for gravity stuff. Metro 2033 Redux ruining the atmosphere and missing numerous things. I could go on like this for a while.

If anything, the original should ALWAYS remain available too. Or make it like the C&C remaster, where you can freely switch between the old and new (best case scenario IMO). And make the price reasonable since you are just mostly re-releasing something that was already out.

I might have tried KoA, but it being priced like a new AAA release means a looong wait until at least a 75% discount. Then maybe.

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nightcraw1er.488: I briefly played AoE on the C&C remake, nothing wrong with them, didn’t see anything to make me go wow other than larger screen size. Perhaps some artwork or slightly different music means more to you. Perhaps the fact that I played them to death when they came out means I can’t see anything new. You can’t recreate a time gone by, do something original.
Gotta give credit where it's due. The C&C remake actually added a lot of new stuff to the package. They even packaged in the original outtakes for the FMV movies. The main guy heading the remaster actually did research, went through EA archives, dug out the Westwood recording tapes etc. They contacted Frank Klepacki to remaster his old music and even make some new tracks. Plus you can freely switch between the old and new look.

C&C Remaster is actually one that I'd consider buying, if it were available DRM-free that is. Reasonably priced too. And I'm saying that as a person that basically never buys re-releases of old games.
Post edited September 13, 2020 by idbeholdME
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StingingVelvet: It's amazing how few of them are clear improvements.
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idbeholdME: This is unfortunately the case most of the time. Hard Reset Redux is basically a graphical downgrade, Serious Sam HD has content cut out due to engine limitations for gravity stuff. Metro 2033 Redux ruining the atmosphere and missing numerous things. I could go on like this for a while.

If anything, the original should ALWAYS remain available too. Or make it like the C&C remaster, where you can freely switch between the old and new (best case scenario IMO). And make the price reasonable since you are just mostly re-releasing something that was already out.

I might have tried KoA, but it being priced like a new AAA release means a looong wait until at least a 75% discount. Then maybe.

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nightcraw1er.488: I briefly played AoE on the C&C remake, nothing wrong with them, didn’t see anything to make me go wow other than larger screen size. Perhaps some artwork or slightly different music means more to you. Perhaps the fact that I played them to death when they came out means I can’t see anything new. You can’t recreate a time gone by, do something original.
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idbeholdME: Gotta give credit where it's due. The C&C remake actually added a lot of new stuff to the package. They even packaged in the original outtakes for the FMV movies. The main guy heading the remaster actually did research, went through EA archives, dug out the Westwood recording tapes etc. They contacted Frank Klepacki to remaster his old music and even make some new tracks. Plus you can freely switch between the old and new look.

C&C Remaster is actually one that I'd consider buying, if it were available DRM-free that is. Reasonably priced too. And I'm saying that as a person that basically never buys re-releases of old games.
Fair enough, I didn’t have much time on it, didn’t even check the sandbagging trick.
Resident evil 2 was also a surprise. Didn’t mind the monkey island ones either.
That’s really where it stops though. What happens was some 5 or so years back beamdog realised that all you had to do to make large piles of cash is to apply an existing mod, remove the originals and sit back. Since then it’s been an endless stream of remasters 99% of which are no improvement or downgrade.
Most decent old games had fans which already sorted screen sizes, graphic and content updates etc.
Here’s a though on a poll, bill long before Bethesda admits it can’t make a game and sells the engine and modding content through it creation club? A bit like choose your own adventure, but build your own game.
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StingingVelvet: In fact, I can't think of a remaster that isn't worse than the original in some way.
Day of the Tentacle, Full Throttle are the only good examples I know of.

There are also quite a lot of remastered games from PC Booter/DOS era like Wizardry IV on NEC PC-98XX or Wizardry V on PSX.

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And I can't even grasp how many titles were *enriched* with soundtrack:
Zork I (Sega Saturn/PSX)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPYEzrRb1ck&list=PL_BhbJAAueZQOVl2FQA6MBoqvsM9WANRH

Eye of the Beholder (Sega CD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxPbAzGOYG8&list=PL_0xwEJacSN95iya4INAj9y9Z6JObszOB

Doom (3DO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m35pIk5wfNk&list=PLB2880E9A7DFF6C25