MightyPinecone: Our needs are changing.
Small correction: for
some of us, their "
perceived needs" are changing.
MightyPinecone: Yes, and very inconvenient solutions are not good solutions.
And for some of us, the more convenient solutions preferred by a few, aren't necessarily seen as the better solutions for all of us.
MightyPinecone: I have don't have access to many ticket around me at the moments, but no, most venues I've been to have no "no smartphones allowed" rules.
That may be, but most (all?) venues
forbid taking photos and audio/videorecordings - as has already been stated.
And smartphones are able to do these things. Apart from that (
and I addressed that also already):
I put a part of the blame on the venues because:
1) they're not updating their ToS to include smartphones, and
2) they're not barring the entrance for people with smartphones.
Of course: the bringing of smartphones is not the real problem at hand - it's their usage that's the problem. I mean:
I bring my smartphone to the cinema, too - but
I turn it off during the movie.
Poses no problem for anyone around me.
But
don't get me started on those who don't turn theirs off. Let's be honest - the whole thing is a societal problem - based on the ever growing lack of upbringing.
And that won't ever get better again, if we just let people act in the way they want, without any repercussions for them.
MightyPinecone: You should't cough straight into the face of another, yet
there is no law against it.
You shouldn't cut in queue, yet
there is no law against it.
If people break these convention
they will be told off (assuming there is someone with a little backbone around). Thus they are enforced.
Again, you wouldn't need to "tell anybody off" (
if you have the necessary "backbone"),
if the ToS would be followed and/or properly enforced. Also: the "there's no law against it"-bit must be a joke...because there are no distinct "
laws against coughing in someone's face", everybody can do it?
What's with
bodily harm? I could sue you
for coughing deliberately in my face - especially if you're sick at that moment.
The outcome might be unsure - but I could do it.
You are aware of that?
And besides (
and to return to the topic):
there are laws at hand already, on which the ToS of concert venues, etc. are based upon. It wouldn't make much sense to threaten someone to get "thrown out" of a venue, if there were no laws that allowed the owners of the venue doing that.
Edit: btw - what's with the problem of someone filming me at a concert without my consent and then uploading that film on YT?
Fun fact: I have a "right on my own picture"...that's a personal right. Enforceable by law.
MightyPinecone: Maybe it's more common there (
concerts).
You bet it is. But as I said already: unfortunately they let you bring your mobile.
MightyPinecone: Yes, because a video cam doesn't have the same range of uses, as we've already discussed.
Exactly.
The mobile delivers the full practical extent of two to three other devices, which are strictly forbidden in a concert...so, following any logic, it should be forbidden, too.
MightyPinecone: Pop concerts are the main situation where I find that it will be difficult to stop people from using their smartphones...
Which is the reason why we should keep them from bringing their mobiles.
We kind of keep circling around this point, don't you think? MightyPinecone: My point wasn't that the audience experience doesn't matter, but rather that it's the main issue in such situations.
With "such situations" you mean the rock/pop concerts?
Yeah. There it is the main issue.
And there it matters. Because people paid hard earned money to have an undisturbed experience.
You said you aren't a concert goer - so it's easy for you to say "oh that's no biggy!"
But for those of us who enjoy(ed) going to concerts, it's definitely a huge PITA.
MightyPinecone: But yes, I've also got it, we disagree.
I agree with that statement.
;)