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Clutching at straws there, pal.
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darthspudius: Clutching at straws there, pal.
Do straws have a sipping monopoly?
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DadJoke007: You complain about Steam having a monopoly in the forum of one of many competitors. I don't know what else to say.
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50urc3c0d3: Yet I haven't complained about anything. It's a simple question. If you don't have an answer, then feel free to not respond.
I want you to read what I wrote over and over again until you reach some sort of mental sunrise. When everything is bright, warm and cozy you will realize just how wrong your monopoly statement is.
Post edited August 27, 2019 by user deleted
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50urc3c0d3: Aside from that and going DRM free, there's only one option for anybody in mainstream PC games for selling games with DRM copy protection - Steam.
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Randalator: Yep, Steam is the only option. Steam and uPlay. Two. There's two options, Steam and uPlay. And Origin. Okay, there's three options: Steam, uPlay, Origin and Epic. Wait, that's four, isn't it?
The others aren't options. EGS now, will list 3rd party games. But prior to this, only Steam.
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50urc3c0d3: Yet I haven't complained about anything. It's a simple question. If you don't have an answer, then feel free to not respond.
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DadJoke007: I want you to read what I wrote over and over again until you reach some sort of mental sunrise. When everything is bright, warm and cozy you will realize just how wrong your monopoly statement is.
Rule of thum when it comes to cyberbullies. Never read anything they right.
Post edited August 27, 2019 by 50urc3c0d3
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Randalator: Yep, Steam is the only option. Steam and uPlay. Two. There's two options, Steam and uPlay. And Origin. Okay, there's three options: Steam, uPlay, Origin and Epic. Wait, that's four, isn't it?
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50urc3c0d3: The others aren't options.
Explain why.

uPlay has been selling third party titles since 2013, Origin since 2011.
Post edited August 27, 2019 by Randalator
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Randalator: Explain why.
Because it ruins his "argument," such as it is, and as such he will pretend they don't exist.
Steam is a distribution/download platform, and you can buy games directly from the steam store or from any of 50+ online stores. So there's your competition on price.
Not tonight dear, I have a headache.
Post edited August 28, 2019 by fr33kSh0w2012
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qwixter: Steam is a distribution/download platform, and you can buy games directly from the steam store or from any of 50+ online stores. So there's your competition on price.
Eh, no. Publisher sets the price, as people are very quick to tell you if you complain about ludicrous regional pricing such as we get when lumped in with Australia; and publishers have to agree to any sales. And any store that relies on selling Steam Keys is not in competition with steam- steam can simply rescind their right to sell keys if someone gets too competitive. The stores that are competitors to steam are really only the ones that don't rely on steam keys for the majority of their business.
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Phasmid: And any store that relies on selling Steam Keys is not in competition with steam- steam can simply rescind their right to sell keys if someone gets too competitive.
You think those stores get their keys from Steam?
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Pheace: You think those stores get their keys from Steam?
Steam key resellers really aren't competition to Steam. If Steam lost more money on key redemption than they gained the whole mechanism would have been shut down long ago. They allow it precisely because the gains from "locking in" pricing 'competition' to the Steam platform maintains an artifically high market share that outweighs the 'losses' in not directly profiting, ie, every Steam key redeemed still = a lost sale for Steam's actual competition. So the gains are indirect rather than direct, but Steam still gains from each key redeemed and by extension that's not real competition of actually competing store platforms at all (GOG, Epic, UPlay, etc). GreenManGaming, etc, may be "competing" with other key resellers for the users wallet at the very last link in the chain, but on a gaming store platform level / service provision as a whole, they simply aren't competition for Steam itself in the big picture of things.
You think those stores get their keys from Steam?
Ultimately, yes, they 100% do. Steam keys. It is, to coin a phrase, in the name.

Practically it doesn't matter who generates them, so long as Steam is able to refuse to honour them if other vendors start selling too many. Which they can do.
Post edited August 28, 2019 by Phasmid
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Pheace: You think those stores get their keys from Steam?
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AB2012: Steam key resellers really aren't competition to Steam. If Steam lost more money on key redemption than they gained the whole mechanism would have been shut down long ago. They allow it precisely because the gains from "locking in" pricing 'competition' to the Steam platform maintains an artifically high market share that outweighs the 'losses' in not directly profiting, ie, every Steam key redeemed still = a lost sale for Steam's actual competition. So the gains are indirect rather than direct, but Steam still gains from each key redeemed and by extension that's not real competition of actually competing store platforms at all (GOG, Epic, UPlay, etc). GreenManGaming, etc, may be "competing" with other key resellers for the users wallet at the very last link in the chain, but on a gaming store platform level / service provision as a whole, they simply aren't competition for Steam itself in the big picture of things.
I agree with this. The thing I don't agree with is this part:
"steam can simply rescind their right to sell keys if someone gets too competitive."
That simply doesn't happen. They don't even have direct contact with those stores, the publishers/devs do.
Post edited August 28, 2019 by Pheace
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Pheace: I agree with this. The thing I don't agree with is this part:
"steam can simply rescind their right to sell keys if someone gets too competitive."
That simply doesn't happen. They don't even have direct contact with those stores, the publishers/devs do.
It's a true statement of fact though that Steam do 100% control the whole Steam key mechanism. And Steam have indeed locked out keys before, eg, who do devs / publishers turn to, to get Steam keys revoked over G2A stolen credit card key fraud? Steam. They may not dictate to publishers which 3rd party reseller stores they can sell keys on, but they can shut down the entire key redemption thing for all of them at any time. The reason they don't is precisely because Steam have always indirectly profited from 3rd party Steam key resellers (which is why key resellers have always been glorified affiliates rather than competition).
Post edited August 28, 2019 by AB2012
Worst post ever.