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UnrealDelusion: Please explain how they are forcing anything when you can kill the background process from within the client itself?
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Primo_Victoria: > You click the close button.

> It looks like it closes, but the program stays active.
you click the icon above your installed games, choose exit and galaxy closes without running in the background.
Seriously just stop... plenty of people have good reasons and arguements.

You are just complaining about something which isn't there but you don't want to admit you were wrong.
Post edited June 06, 2017 by UnrealDelusion
yes, they added the choose if client exists or not, and now have disabled the feature, total regression. They even leave the wish marked as "completed"

(had to pm a mod to get them to mark it as incomplete again)
Post edited June 06, 2017 by SquigglyBoo
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0Grapher: My first thought when I saw these new releases was: They must have planned to release incredibly popular games after making a very controversial move so as to appease many that might have left.
Yep, that's how it looks to me too. But GOG's "well thought out" plan didn't work for me. :D

I'll wait and see how they handle offline installers for a few months before i consider buying something from GOG again. But after all the BS they pulled lately and seeing how Galaxy users are clearly GOG's preferred costumers nowadays it's quite likely that i'm done with buying games from GOG for good.

But that's no big deal to me, there are enough stores from which i can buy games.
Post edited June 06, 2017 by Impaler26
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Impaler26: But that's no big deal to me, there are enough stores from which i can buy games.
Of course. And half of them disappear in about a year. And then who do you complain to for lack of updates?
I honestly think people are making this matter look far worse than it is. They made a few mistakes, fuck it, nobody's perfect. Apart from apparently having few staff in more than one department, one of the reasons Galaxy is as unfinished and of less-than-optimal performance is that too few people use it to give feedback (from different configurations, particularly). Start complaining when they make decisions that actually harm their user base.
Post edited June 06, 2017 by Plokite_Wolf
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Plokite_Wolf: That really depends from game to game as well. For instance, C&C Red Alert 2 from 2000 had a serial key system which was not only obligatory for the old Westwood Online server (and its fan-run XWIS successor by official transition), but the game also checked all users' serial keys when in simple LAN and would refuse to connect them should at least two of them have the same key.
The same happened in Neverwinter Nights last time I tried: Online serial check for LAN games...
Has this changed?
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Plokite_Wolf: That really depends from game to game as well. For instance, C&C Red Alert 2 from 2000 had a serial key system which was not only obligatory for the old Westwood Online server (and its fan-run XWIS successor by official transition), but the game also checked all users' serial keys when in simple LAN and would refuse to connect them should at least two of them have the same key.
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Klumpen0815: The same happened in Neverwinter Nights last time I tried: Online serial check for LAN games...
Has this changed?
In order to change or remove that, one needs to delve into the game's source code, publishers and developers permitting. Source code which may or may not exist anymore (as is the case with RA2 I mentioned).
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0Grapher: My first thought when I saw these new releases was: They must have planned to release incredibly popular games after making a very controversial move so as to appease many that might have left.
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Plokite_Wolf: Because they can make expensive deals like the recent one with Bethesda at the snap of fingers just to reduce some unnecessary dust, eh? :P
Well, the deal was planned quite a long time ago, as we know from SPCM.
Secondly, they can make announcements whenever they like.

I think it's more likely, though, that they didn't want to risk too much growth before the release of Galaxy. Now that they have more man-power available, they are tackling their goals to release "AAA" games including new ones.
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In some way, GOG has lost the DRM war. Or given up on making it a "revolution", as it seemed to aim for in its beginnings. Having client-free, independant games used to be not just GOG's specificity, but also like an ideological purpose, some sort of ethical crusade. It was about convincing developers, and the whole videogame market, that DRM was pointless and harmful. It was about setting up an exemple and turning the tables. It was lead by anti-DRM people for anti-DRM people.

Now, Steam has imposed its client-based gaming as a new common sense, a consensual standard, amongst the new generation of players (possibly the same kids who, having grown up with it, see no problem with commercial breaks in their movies). So GOG has no real popular support, which makes it a bit hard to fuel a crusade, or to leverage convincing arguments for developers. The reality is : gamers don't give a damn about DRM. If anything, what gamers truly care for is stuff like omg feminists daring to mock macho stereotypes in their games (compare the respective violence of the gamergate movement and the anti-drm movement). Anti-DRM stances are simply "niche", which GOG isn't anymore. Anti-DRM players are like those who refuse to use facebook, or those who stroll without a mobile phone. A margin, viewed with either patronizing sympathy or hostility by the mainstream culture.

And GOG is outside this margin, without being hostile to it. On the contrary, GOG even manages a friendly space, a little zoo, for these marginals : there will always be a corner with Galaxy-free installers, there will always be an opt-out for grandpa (all know that at his age he doesn't chew clients very well, and everyone wants grandpa happy). It's, basically, an indian reservation on the conquered territory. We should not complain, nobody forced GOG to keep offering this alternative. They weren't cornered by the loud minority. The standard gamers want a client (and a mobile phone, and a facebook account, and a little message telling them that they "achieved" something when they clicked five time on that ork), and their number sustain GOG more durably.

But it's become a divide, between, on one side, GOG, its Galaxy standards, the mass of its customers and, on the other side, the enraged anti-DRM anti-clients, militants, and original GOG fans. The relation is much more friendly, cooperative, and respectful than nitpicky forum outrages make it seem ("rrrahr I boycott gog because it includes galaxy in its installers" "- fine, here are your installers without galaxy" "- rrrahr i don't care"), but it's still a "us and them" while, a few years ago, GOG and its core users were a same "us". There was a time where GOG seemed to be the same people as those who bought games on GOG to escape Steam-like clients. And, as GOG developed to meet the demands of steam-era gamers, by reappropriating the steam devices, the perspectives have divorced.

In practice : No big deal. GOG is not unfaithful to its traditional customers. It caters to them. But GOG is not its traditional customers anymore. The sense of self-identification is gone. And some customers keep getting disturbed by that. They wanted an unity and not an alliance. I think we should be happy with the alliance. Steam doesn't propose one.

At this point, it's too much fuss around a sense of mere symbolic betrayal. GOG went from offering client-free games, to offering also client-integrated games, to offering also client-free games. It expanded beyond what I use GOG for, it made what I use GOG for a bit more marginal, but it didn't remove what I use GOG for. It feels like a little bookshop becoming a big supermarket without really reducing the original bookshop in it. I don't identify with the whole of it anymore, but what matters is still there.

It's not entirely devoid of melancholy, but, again, it's no big deal. "Galaxy.com" is not gog.com but isn't steam.com either. It evolved to its own third thing.
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Onglar: I had no idea they included galaxy for a while in all offline installers... Very worrying indeed.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/offline_installers_with_an_option_to_install_gog_galaxy/post1
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/offline_installers_with_an_option_to_install_gog_galaxy/post1342
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/important_check_your_purchased_games_and_orders/post42

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0Grapher: My first thought when I saw these new releases was: They must have planned to release incredibly popular games after making a very controversial move so as to appease many that might have left.
Yep, my thoughts exactly and I refuse to take the bait...

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Plokite_Wolf: Because they can make expensive deals like the recent one with Bethesda at the snap of fingers just to reduce some unnecessary dust, eh? :P
Distracted By The Shiny

"Don’t get distracted by the shiny object [and if a crisis comes], execute on the fundamentals."

Don’t get distracted by the Shiny Objects 'When a customer wants to interact with you through a specific channel but you don’t offer it, what happens then? They will deal with you this one time, but will probably pick some other store that is “friendlier” the next time.'

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Impaler26: But after all the BS they pulled lately and seeing how Galaxy users are clearly GOG's preferred costumers nowadays it's quite likely that i'm done with buying games from GOG for good.
As am I...

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Plokite_Wolf: Start complaining when they make decisions that actually harm their user base.
Where have you been? That has already happened on more than one occasion. Did you conviently miss Lifthrasil's list?...
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Primo_Victoria: > You click the close button.

> It looks like it closes, but the program stays active.
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UnrealDelusion: you click the icon above your installed games, choose exit and galaxy closes without running in the background.
Seriously just stop... plenty of people have good reasons and arguements.

You are just complaining about something which isn't there but you don't want to admit you were wrong.
We're talking about the X, which is supposed to close the program. You're either playing thick or it's not an act.
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Plokite_Wolf: Because they can make expensive deals like the recent one with Bethesda at the snap of fingers just to reduce some unnecessary dust, eh? :P
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ValamirCleaver: Distracted By The Shiny

"Don’t get distracted by the shiny object [and if a crisis comes], execute on the fundamentals."

Don’t get distracted by the Shiny Objects 'When a customer wants to interact with you through a specific channel but you don’t offer it, what happens then? They will deal with you this one time, but will probably pick some other store that is “friendlier” the next time.'
Cut the vague crap and make your point?

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Plokite_Wolf: Start complaining when they make decisions that actually harm their user base.
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ValamirCleaver: Where have you been? That has already happened on more than one occasion. Did you conviently miss Lifthrasil's list?...
Then why does a fucking client that doesn't do anything malicious (hello Origin!) cause more outrage than all of that combined? And I'm not aware of any games with in-game transactions on here, care to give a few links?
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Telika: snip
To many people on here, specifically those who have been here a long time, they view (or once did) GoG as some sort of white knight of gaming that was going to rescue the masses from the evil that is known as Steam. A crusader which stood by DRM-Free principles in the face of the giant know as Valve and come out winning in the end. To a large part they still are this, but they have also evolved in a sense because the industry demands it. DRM-Free is a noble cause but I've always said if you put yourself on an island and shout from the rooftops that the big boy on the block is so bad, nobody is going to listen because they probably can't even hear you in the first place. GoG has found that you can't simply sell 'DRM-Free' and expect the masses to simply just show up. You need to have additional selling points to attract users to your store and yes, that includes things like a client (Galaxy) and connectivity like Connect.

It's not GoG turning their back on their faithful users, it's trying to serve those same users while still trying to be relevant in an industry that is opposite of their core business model.
At this stage both GOG and Valve are farting so much money the only
reason they still come to work and keep the servers running is charity

This has been a concern for a long time now.