+1s to all trying to communicate what the issues are here, and why; many many posts expressing my thoughts.
Special shout out to thomq for post #208.
Thank you for all the feedback you’re posting here. In terms of how public your profile is, if it’s set up to „everyone” - the profile will be only visible to users who are logged in to GOG. We treat all of you guys like friends rather than „some users”, and we believe that the whole GOG community forms something more than just a group of different users on some digital distribution platform. And because of this approach, that we're all big GOG family :), we want to go ahead and allow others who are part of this community to be able to visit your profile, and see what you’re into. But still the information they’ll see is limited unless you decide otherwise.[...]
Only visible to users who are logged in to GOG? Only? Well, that's comforting to know. Really? Users who are logged in to GOG include people I've interacted here before, people I've not, people that don't use the forum, people that just fire up the client. I'm sure you know how many people that may be at any given time, as I'm also sure that it's a whole lot of people; do you really think that there's anyone using GOG that considers all these people as their friends or family in any way, shape or form? I'm well aware that your wording is just PR lingo, but I'll say it anyway - we are just
a group of different users on some digital distribution platform. You are an online store for digital distributed games, not my community centre or my home; there at least no one would decide for me what info about me is available to everyone else visiting.
I don't appreciate this approach and argumentation, let alone it being used to justify how you seem determined to go about this. People I've not exchanged a single word here don't even qualify as passing online acquaintances in my book; it's not up to you to decide my friends
, it's not up to you to allow
others to see what I'm into, no matter how limited, and it certainly isn't up to you to let complete strangers peek
into who my five recently active friends are, and their general info
, without their permission. That's my business, and it should remain up to me to decide what info I share, regardless of the scope of it.
You thank us for the feedback we're posting. Well, I can't help but think of that "We're listening to your feedback" thread; I think we both know what actual results came out from the listening
you've been doing since its inception. I can only hope this time it will be put to use, though the rest of your post is lingo to make us feel all warm inside, and convince us of how great and cool this is for all of us. As the feedback shows, it's not.
[...] Also, there was some confusion on showing your friends’ activity on your profile. It’s not the case. If someone will visit your profile (if your privacy settings allow for it, of course), they will see your activity, not your friends'. They will only have a peek at 5 recently active friends of yours, and their general information (no. of games, no. of achievements and hours played). [...]
Well, when you don't say what is what exactly, confusion is bound to ensue, no?
But there's a more important issue that needs to be addressed.
First off, what does this "my activity" consist of? Seeing what the "general info" about one's five recently active friends includes, I can only surmise that one's own activity will reveal a lot more even though you label it "limited".
Secondly, and this is more alarming as it seems we won't have any control over it (Breja too addressed this).
Let's say I have all these settings set to "only me", but some of those on my friends list leave their profile at the default setting you've chosen for us. Do I understand it correctly that when I get on here, anyone checking out the profile of one of them will be able to see me listed among their five recently active friends, and peek
general info, including the number of games I have? If I do understand this correctly, how does this respect my own personal preference to remain completely private?
Also, what purpose does it serve to broadcast how many games one has to random strangers for it to be included in one's "general info"?
Additionally, you mention "no. of achievements and hours played" which, as far as I know, applies only to those using the client to play games. Does this mean that these will report "zero" for the rest, or won't show at all?
[...] And one more thing. Thanks for the feedback regarding the "Visibility" option. We've changed the description there, so it should be clear what's what.
Frankly, I don't quite understand why this one is different from the rest of the settings. The greyed out status when choosing to be non-visible in contrast to the bright green when choosing the opposite really feels like you're trying to condition us that choosing visibility is the better option. Changing the description is good, but making both choices visibly weigh the same would be better, imo.
And speaking of it, has the bug with friends suggestions not respecting this setting been fixed?
Give me a shout once you're actually FORCED to display anything to anyone. ;)
Well, if logged in people can peek
at my general info
via others' profiles even if I have all these social settings to "only me"...
And before you say "empty your friends list", if the above will work as I understand it, that's exactly what I'll do. Which in turn will come with no communication via chat with anyone, as setting my chat to "everyone" hasn't been an option for me for a long time.
Every user's country is displayed under their avatar on the forums since forever and no one ever seemed to complain that it breaches their privacy. Also note that you can't opt-out from your country being displayed. [...]
[...] I really get the feeling that it's simply the users who decided to take shots at a new feature, given that they're entirely comfortable with with another "leak" of information that is more personal and with no option of opting-out.
You seem to be under the misguided impression that the country you see is the one everyone actual resides in. Indeed, we can't opt-out as it is now, because GOG's stance is that it's of no priority. So we do the next best thing, we circumvent it by choosing some other place in that setting. Which (randomly?) breaks, and reveals one's actual country, something one finds out only the next time they come online, but that's also of no priority to GOG. Hopefully, this will change in light of the upcoming GDPR.
[...] I think it's blatantly clear that country display is a much more serious issue (at least in comparison to the one being complained about right now, because I still think it's a non-issue), yet it's never been brought up until I mentioned it in this thread.
, you weren't even the first one to bring it up in this thread.
[...] I'm really curious how many of the complainers use Facebook, Windows 10 or Google Chrome. If they do use any of these and yet complain about the title of the last game you played via Galaxy being displayed to other GOG users (which you can freely change if it bothers you), then I can't help but laugh.
I don't use any of them, also no Galaxy, no social media and no Google search. I think it's safe enough to say that the most vocal ones take our privacy seriously, and try to protect it as best possible.
[...] That's why I don't think we'll find a more reasonable solution than a pop-up window at first login that forces the user to choose their privacy settings - and they can be private until that first login happens.
You suggested this a few times by now, but this is the first time you mention under which condition until that first login happens. Yes, It is a reasonable solution, but only if the settings default to private until then (not "can" but "should" be), and I hope GOG implements it.