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Reddit, Facebook, Quora, and Google.

Reddit. Every time I post there, I get hassled for the extended Google ReCAPTCHA craptcha that rick rolls the user through an unending set of pictures "please click all the images that contain street signs/bicycles/cars/traffic signals", and when you click on them it pops up more in the user's face. I looked for any instructions on how to get the simpler "I'm not a robot" button and none of them worked.

Facebook. Never used it, never will - and the last year of unending privacy scandals and Facebook stock plunges has been one giant see-I-told-you-so. Plus I've been hearing a steady stream of reports that they demand a verified picture of every user and lock your account if you refuse. Creepy. A lot of mobile and browser games use Facebook login as an "account", and there are many people who get locked out of Facebook and as a result they lose a bunch of mobile/browser game progress.

Quora. Registered for this as a tentative alternative for asking questions on Stack Exchange. Quora has an obtuse real-name rule where everyone is "required" to use their real names to register an account. I set up my account with no name specified and it was locked on sight. Turns out refusing to specify a name or personal details was a great idea, as later on in the year Quora got hacked and up to 100 million users' data (including real names) was compromised (see https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/04/quora-says-hackers-stole-information-on-as-many-as-100-million-users.html ).

Google. I used to like their products, then the last few years have been a steady downhill as they repeatedly demonstrate they don't give a crap about the end-user. The "new" Google Mail UI is bloated, loads too slowly, and was forced on users who opted out as long as possible. A straight downgrade from the previous UI with no redeeming upgrades AFAIK.

Then there's Android (mobile operating system). My first smartphone was a Google Nexus 4 phone. A few years after purchase, news came out that it wouldn't receive regular OS updates via the normal update process and future versions of Android would have to be manually loaded onto the phone. Google has a nasty history of ignoring or failing to recognize malware and security problems, then cleaning up when the uproar gets too noisy. Critical vulnerabilities all-too-often don't receive a prompt patch. The Google Play store has a history of failing to detect malicious or fraudulent apps, only booting the offending apps out after the fact once they cause significant damage.

Sometime this year, Google added some annoying garbage to some links on its platform (affects both Google Chat and search) where it packages the link into a redirect off Google, presumably to allow tracking and data-mining. This makes it an obnoxious pain to copypaste links as you either get a crappy Google redirect or have to manually extract the URL from the redirect link.

YouTube has gone from being the original video-streaming service to an incoherent, inconsistent mess of politically-motivated censorship where the rules aren't applied evenly.

Topping it all off, Google largely spent the year in the regulatory hot-seat right next to Facebook, often grilled over user-data/privacy and monopolistic practices.

I've made a specific effort over the last 2 years to minimize the use of Google, though unfortunately it's been the hardest thing to get rid of considering I've used their products well over a decade. I've been using Bing as a search engine alternative and increasing use of security-conscious mail alternatives like Apple Mail and Proton Mail. Additionally, I stopped using Google Mail/Drive to store/backup my hobby projects such as video game mods and music projects. Last year, I dumped Android in favor of iOS, picking up an iPhone 6S while the last batch of them were on sale.
almost every website tbqh
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Darvond: I don't think that's how it works at all, nor have I even heard such a case in my time researching these sorts of things.
Yes, SELinux is also not proprietary, so in your control. But imagine it were and the security would be implemented like that. You PC would be locked right now until they respond.

Or imagine SIM card on phone destroys itself for no reason and without warning, and when you call operator they say its correct, because you typed the PIN code incorrectly - but it doesn't give any message. That kind of security.

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firstpastthepost: I read your original post just fine. You are complaining about security features, regardless of whether you think they are useful or implemented properly, you're still complaining about security features on websites. So my point is still salient. But you're also apparently completely oblivious to the fact that my comment wasn't directed at you to begin with.
No, not regardless. Exactly not regardless.
And not "think". Its not "what you think", when there is no reason and warning for being locked out and forced to waiting line. "Think" is when a warning is given. I call it user disrespect and abuse of user time.
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Gekko_Dekko: - most of popular mailboxes do the same, not just mail.ru. Yandex, gmail - while they dont ask for phone number during registration, your account will be suspended asap due to spam from your IP/viruses on your pc (even if its newly created virtual machine)/russian haxors, who tries to login into all newly created profiles. And the only way to get access back is to add mobile phone. COZ ITS THE ONLY SECURE WAY TO AUTENTIFY IN 21 CENTURY (not really, its the opposite)
Yes, they require cell phone number, because obtaining cell phone number both in Russia and Europe was hardened by a lot and now requires explicit verification by personal identity card. So if something happens, authorities can track you back to your identity within seconds.

But I have no problems with this, personally. Ok, many may not like it - but can run own mailserver or use paid mailbox.

Where I personally have a problem is when I am **unpredictably** required to do this; so like I am using account - and then suddenly required to do that, putting roadblocks into my whole workflow. And I have experienced this on both gmail and mail.ru.

The problem with google though, is that they don't have any telephone support. Yandex and mail.ru have telephone support, which is actually active. So, I unlocked my mail.ru account pretty quickly, but not one from gmail.


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paladin181: I've had Several GMail for ages, never added a Cell and never been locked out of my accounts. I call FUD on this.
I had gmail that once was auto-locked, requiring phone and sms never arrived, although it was valid. Its ok if you consider this fud, just be prepared for this just in case.
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Lin545: Yes, SELinux is also not proprietary, so in your control. But imagine it were and the security would be implemented like that. You PC would be locked right now until they respond.

Or imagine SIM card on phone destroys itself for no reason and without warning, and when you call operator they say its correct, because you typed the PIN code incorrectly - but it doesn't give any message. That kind of security.
Lad, I think you've been hitting the tinfoil juice too hard.
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paladin181: I've had Several GMail for ages, never added a Cell and never been locked out of my accounts. I call FUD on this.
iirc it only applies to newly created accounts
well how about gog? its pretty anti-user nowdays and i consider google captcha as excessive security. that f*cking captcha is a real pain in the ass!
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Darvond: Lad, I think you've been hitting the tinfoil juice too hard.
Yeah, right. I've been using this account only on web browser/pc for reading few popular sources (2bln+ subs), account was hidden all the time and I didn't post anything. Not a single post. For about two years. I have explicitly never accessed it from phone.

Now I get this "happy new year" message since I opened this thread and went through massive captcha wall:

"Hello,

Your account appears to have exhibited automated behavior that violates the Twitter Rules: https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311. (me: this is generic code breach article, I didn't touch anything in there, I was FULL READ ONLY)

In order to continue safely using Twitter, please follow these steps:
Log in to your account on the web or open your Twitter app (iOS or Android).You’ll see a prompt letting you know your account has been locked. Click or tap “Start”.Select your country/region from the drop down menu, and then enter your phone number. Click “Send code” and Twitter will send you a text message with a confirmation code (note that your standard message rates may apply). Enter the code you received in the “Your code” box and click “Submit”.You will see a confirmation message that your account is now unlocked.
Once you confirm your identity, it may take up to a few minutes for your account to be unlocked.

If you’re still experiencing an issue after confirming your identity, please reply to this message and provide us with specific details of the problem you're experiencing. We’ll do our best to help!

Thanks,

Twitter Support"

I am thoroughly enjoying the attempt at phishing my phone number and hardware details - just to have read-only on an RSS equivalent with comment support. I guess if you POST something, then it might be worth it, but still, probably by a guy who is either stupid to not care or can afford new phones like a new bag of cashew nuts, and carries them all in a bundle. All I can see in the text is: "please install this malware and confirm that you are human, human. Or we take hostage of your account because-we-can and-you-can-do-nothing-about-it".

Great service, great service. Pres. of my country (maybe even China) should learn from this shining example of democracy. :/ :/ :/ :/ Seriously, twitter is somewhere on national level, isn't it?


Edit: oh, nice, I am not the only one who slept under the sun for too long (aka rational?).
Post edited December 30, 2018 by Lin545
Ok, I wrote them a email response about what I think what they are doing - and it appears that (!) there is someone on weekend who reads it (poor soul!) and I got response:

"Hello,

Your account is now unlocked, and we’re sorry for the inconvenience.

Twitter has automated systems that find and remove automated spam accounts and it looks like your account got caught up in one of these spam groups by mistake. This sometimes happens when an account exhibits automated behavior in violation of the Twitter Rules (https://twitter.com/rules <https://twitter.com/rules&gt;).

Again, we apologize for the inconvenience. Please do not respond to this email as replies will not be monitored.

Thanks,

Twitter Support"

Oh, well, what does it change?.. They are still locking accounts, but there is someone actually revoking that. Gonna update OP with this. Guess I can continue reading twitter, huh..