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Posted March 20, 2016
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HunchBluntley: I cannot envision any way in which this could be a good Indy movie.
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Breja: Why? I mean, I can get low expectations, but even if the chance is slight, I don't see a reason why it being good should be outright impossible.
Thats what you said about the Phantom Menace
Posted March 20, 2016
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Breja: Why? I mean, I can get low expectations, but even if the chance is slight, I don't see a reason why it being good should be outright impossible.
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ScotchMonkey: Thats what you said about the Phantom Menace
I... don't really think we spoke much back then :D
Posted March 20, 2016
The thing that struck me about the criticism of the 4th film is that it was mostly focussed on the aliens. So they don't like ludicrous things in their Indiana Jones movies and somehow didn't blink an eye at all the God stuff in the previous films? Because that's perfectly plausible? It doesn't make any sense.

But yeah, he's getting a bit too old for these kinds of roles. Maybe he's going to adopt the role Sean Connery did in the Last Crusade. Junior? JUNIOR!
Posted March 20, 2016
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Navagon: The thing that struck me about the criticism of the 4th film is that it was mostly focussed on the aliens. So they don't like ludicrous things in their Indiana Jones movies and somehow didn't blink an eye at all the God stuff in the previous films? Because that's perfectly plausible? It doesn't make any sense.

But yeah, he's getting a bit too old for these kinds of roles. Maybe he's going to adopt the role Sean Connery did in the Last Crusade. Junior? JUNIOR!
The fact that there were aliens in it was less of a problem than the fact that they laid absolutely no pipe for it up until they get to the big reveal.

The previous movies were God, cult and then God, but in all cases the ultimate resolution followed in some fashion from the premise. Whereas in the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls, it wasn't something that the audience was primed or prepped for and I don't think there's any reason to see it coming.

The fact that it also felt out of place with an Indiana Jones movie just made things worse.

That being said, people flipping out about the refrigerator scene get no sympathy from me. Yes, it was rather silly and over the top, but probably not any less realistic than him riding on that sub for thousands of miles with no provisions. Or that whole mine car sequence.
Posted March 20, 2016
Here's what a scene from Indy 5 will probably look like.

The Ice Pirates (Time Warp)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u0vqD202Tw
Posted March 20, 2016
2019? End of the world will come sooner...
Posted March 20, 2016
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Breja: Why? I mean, I can get low expectations, but even if the chance is slight, I don't see a reason why it being good should be outright impossible.
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HunchBluntley: Because the person playing Indy is too old for that kind of role (I'm not against "old people kicking ass"-type movies, but that's not the kind of series this is); the filmmakers' judgement is highly suspect after the last movie (alien bullshit doesn't belong in a series mostly inspired by 1930s action-adventure serials, and the idea that they seem to have been trying to set up Shia Lafuckingbeouf as Ford's successor in the series is mind-boggling); and the further the series' setting moves away from the first half of the 20th century, the less well its particular schtick will work (as evil "bad guys" go, Nazis > Soviets, and the idea of the archaeologist as "tomb robber focused on procuring museum pieces" starts to seem like more of the uncomfortable anachronism that it is if the story takes place in, say, the '60s or '70s).

Obviously, a fair bit of this is based on my personal opinion, but I still think some good things should just be allowed to exist on their own merits, to slip into the past, well-regarded and fondly remembered, rather than being repeatedly resurrected in increasingly ludicrous forms by studios (smelling money) and, sometimes (as in this case), the original filmmakers and/or stars (seeking to to revisit their glory days one more time...and also smelling money), because fangeeks (who don't understand concepts like "moderation" and "ending on a high note") demand it, and will reliably blow their money on absolute dog shit as long as it has the name of their favorite thing on it. ("I can't believe how bad that movie was -- worst in the series! So I only bought the 2-disc Special Edition, rather than the 5-disc Legacy Edition that comes in the collector's tin. No way I'd pay $120 for that! ...Maybe $60.")

Maybe after a decade or two, this series could be rebooted (with a different lead, obviously) -- in the meantime they could even do stuff like the "Young Indiana Jones Chronicles" again -- but I just hate the idea in general that anything that's even remotely good or popular must have moar sequalz!!!!!

(This I why I don't usually post -- on-topic, anyway -- in this sort of "So-and-so announces the next Dealybobber moviecomicshowgametechthingyblarg" speculation/hype/bitching topic. I'm the Anti-Hype. :) )
*points frantically* THIS

well said. It's funny, I was just looking through some old Calvin and Hobbes books I have, and Watterson pretty much said the above was the reason he stopped the strip when he did. I mean think about it, you look back on his strip and think "great", look back at other comics that won't die and just keep rehashing the same, old crap and you don't remember them quite as well. The Skull movie I have just blocked out of my mind and don't even associate it with Indy. However, if they put out this new, and probable, piece of garbage, I will always think about how they just dragged the old beat horse that is Indy through the mud for one last cash grab and cheap thrill/late life crisis. I want to remember Indy's last foray in Crusades, not whatever drivel they slap together.
Posted March 20, 2016
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bela555: 2019? End of the world will come sooner...
I'm actually surprised they're not holding the release off untill 2020, seeing how 2019 is the year of the final episode of the new Star Wars Trilogy.
Posted March 20, 2016
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Navagon: The thing that struck me about the criticism of the 4th film is that it was mostly focussed on the aliens. So they don't like ludicrous things in their Indiana Jones movies and somehow didn't blink an eye at all the God stuff in the previous films? Because that's perfectly plausible? It doesn't make any sense.
i dunno, it was just something about sticking aliens into the movie that felt cheap and not Indiana Jones, more like Ancient Aliens. Maybe b/c the other ones, since they did deal with gods, had a more mystical feel, and this was a little more sci-fi than you'd expect going into this sort of film? For whatever reason, it just didn't feel right. I left the theater disappointed.
Posted March 20, 2016
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Crewdroog: i dunno, it was just something about sticking aliens into the movie that felt cheap and not Indiana Jones, more like Ancient Aliens. Maybe b/c the other ones, since they did deal with gods, had a more mystical feel, and this was a little more sci-fi than you'd expect going into this sort of film? For whatever reason, it just didn't feel right. I left the theater disappointed.
Not to be mean or anything, but the more I hear people whine about the aliens, the fridge, and just Crystal Skull in general, the more optimistic I feel about the new movie and the more I want to see it.
Posted March 20, 2016
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Breja: Not to be mean or anything, but the more I hear people whine about the aliens, the fridge, and just Crystal Skull in general, the more optimistic I feel about the new movie and the more I want to see it.
Good for you, even that's quite a weird reaction.
Posted March 20, 2016
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ScotchMonkey: Thats what you said about the Phantom Menace
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Breja: I... don't really think we spoke much back then :D
Telepathy and a time machine son. You cant hide shit from me! Like how your secret pin code is Bosco!
Posted March 20, 2016
I'm still waiting that new star wars to rent that in some month.
Posted March 20, 2016
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Antimateria: I'm still waiting that new star wars to rent that in some month.
It's worth seeing, but it's not what I would consider a great movie. It sits roughly between the two trilogies in terms of quality, IMHO. Some might suggest that it's better than Episode VI, but that's probably going to depend on how much you disliked the Ewoks.

Still, trying to cram that much fan service into a movie is going to detract a bit.
Posted March 20, 2016
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Antimateria: I'm still waiting that new star wars to rent that in some month.
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hedwards: It's worth seeing, but it's not what I would consider a great movie. It sits roughly between the two trilogies in terms of quality, IMHO. Some might suggest that it's better than Episode VI, but that's probably going to depend on how much you disliked the Ewoks.

Still, trying to cram that much fan service into a movie is going to detract a bit.
Heh.. Sounds nice.. Infact those ewoks.. Nobody wanted those. =)
You soft and cuddly bears!
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