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Posted February 10, 2016
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synfresh: Do people do this kind of thing in real life? For example, I don't like eggplant, can't stand it. But yet my local grocery store sells eggplant. I guess that should piss me off. Should I go there and tell the manager that I'm pissed off that I don't like eggplant and that he should stop selling eggplant because it makes me mad and it's all about what I want (I am the customer). To hell with the people who like eggplant. I don't, therefore I demand that you stop selling it.
Day 1: I was offered an eggplant, which I declined. I do not trust it. Too purple.
Day 2: Today I went to buy some grapes. It turns out that they do not sell grapes, but they were instead bags of tiny eggplants. I declined.
Day 3: Went to purchase soda. My preferred brand has been replaced with a storebrand EggPlepsi. Looked for the competing product. Also replaced with Eggplanta-Cola. Today the manager gave me the shifty eyes as I walked out again without purchasing anything.
Day 4: I was out of toilet paper and desperate, so purchased the storebrand eggplant-based toilet paper. I was confused by the options but in a rush, so went home with the single-eggply stuff. This is not absorbant. I am purple and brown from the waist down and feel nothing but shame. The eggplant-based soap was useless. Collapsed sobbing in the shower.
Day 5: I asked what was up with the eggplant based stuff on the internet. Some guy asked me what my problem was. Attempted to sob. Rubbing my eyes with eggplant-tissues caused burning and irritation.
Post edited February 10, 2016 by Wulf2k
Posted February 10, 2016
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Wulf2k: Is anybody else sick of this "Early Access" fad?

I approved of the concept initially but it just didn't work out. Too many of them never get completed, or are just terrible to start and leave me with no interest in ever checking them out again.

I literally stopped looking at the Steam Store and sales because of Early Access games. They're everywhere. Finish your game and then sell it, or don't waste my time by making one at all.

I was disappointed when I saw GOG starting their "In Development" sales. I originally started coming here for their Good Old Games, and I'm willing to accept that they've moved past that. Good New Games can be great as well. But why the hell are they wasting our time with Terrible Incomplete Games?

I'll admit that I haven't given GOG's InDev games a chance. Are they at least doing a better job of vetting them than Steam?

Or is this just the beginning of the same path that Steam went down?
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synfresh: Do people do this kind of thing in real life? For example, I don't like eggplant, can't stand it. But yet my local grocery store sells eggplant. I guess that should piss me off. Should I go there and tell the manager that I'm pissed off that I don't like eggplant and that he should stop selling eggplant because it makes me mad and it's all about what I want (I am the customer). To hell with the people who like eggplant. I don't, therefore I demand that you stop selling it.

I wonder how that would go......
I agree but that's a bad example. My grandmother liked egg plant and she's dead now. :P
Posted February 10, 2016
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mrkgnao: Good and honest answer.

I think that what some people complaining about InDev games might be saying is that the introduction of these games might similarly tax their tolerance.

It's like, say, a vegetarian restaurant. If the restaurant adds just one meat dish, one can say to oneself "I will just not buy this one dish", but once half the menu is meat dishes one is far more likely to look for another restaurant (or lock oneself in one's room and eat home-cooked meals).

For me, the GOG menu (with such items as regional blocking, regional pricing, regional gifting, InDev games, DLCs) is already decidedly unappetising.
Well said, and articulates my point better than I did.
Posted February 10, 2016
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Wishbone: Okay, I'm obviously not getting through here, but I'll keep trying:

Will everyone please, for the love of GOG, stop referring to early access titles as EA Games!?!

I cannot stress this enough. Seriously, it will make future discussions about games so confusing, and people will have no idea what other people are trying to say. It's like lazily deciding that steampunk is too long a word to bother to write, and start referring to all games with a steampunk theme as Steam Games.

EA Games is a huge game publisher, people! The name is already taken! Granted, they evoke many of the same reactions and divisions in the gaming community as early access games do, but that doesn't mean the two are interchangeable in a discussion!

If you cannot be assed to write out "early access" in full, adopt GOG's expression of Games In Development, and call them GIDs instead, not EA Games!

I reserve the right to mercilessly mock and deliberately misunderstand anyone referring to early access games as EA Games in the future.
Thank you. It took me a moment to realise EA meant early access. I thought electronic arts. :D
Posted February 10, 2016
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synfresh: Do people do this kind of thing in real life? For example, I don't like eggplant, can't stand it. But yet my local grocery store sells eggplant. I guess that should piss me off. Should I go there and tell the manager that I'm pissed off that I don't like eggplant and that he should stop selling eggplant because it makes me mad and it's all about what I want (I am the customer). To hell with the people who like eggplant. I don't, therefore I demand that you stop selling it.
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Wulf2k: Day 1: I was offered an eggplant, which I declined. I do not trust it. Too purple.
Day 2: Today I went to buy some grapes. It turns out that they do not sell grapes, but they were instead bags of tiny eggplants. I declined.
Day 3: Went to purchase soda. My preferred brand has been replaced with a storebrand EggPlepsi. Looked for the competing product. Also replaced with Eggplanta-Cola. Today the manager gave me the shifty eyes as I walked out again without purchasing anything.
Day 4: I was out of toilet paper and desperate, so purchased the storebrand eggplant-based toilet paper. I was confused by the options but in a rush, so went home with the single-eggply stuff. This is not absorbant. I am purple and brown from the waist down and feel nothing but shame. The eggplant-based soap was useless. Collapsed sobbing in the shower.
Day 5: I asked what was up with the eggplant based stuff on the internet. Some guy asked me what my problem was. Attempted to sob. Rubbing my eyes with eggplant-tissues caused burning and irritation.
+1'd all your posts in this thread for making me laugh so hard that I spit half my lunch (tostadas with rice, beans, and soy protein faux-meat) all over my desk (at work).

Off to get some napkins...
Posted February 10, 2016
I don't really care.

Gamers are so whiny these days that they complain most full release games are 'not complete' and 'lacking in content'

So what's the difference between complaining about In Development games being incomplete and complaining about full release games being incomplete?
Post edited February 10, 2016 by TheTome56
Posted February 10, 2016
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mrkgnao: Good and honest answer.

I think that what some people complaining about InDev games might be saying is that the introduction of these games might similarly tax their tolerance.

It's like, say, a vegetarian restaurant. If the restaurant adds just one meat dish, one can say to oneself "I will just not buy this one dish", but once half the menu is meat dishes one is far more likely to look for another restaurant (or lock oneself in one's room and eat home-cooked meals).

For me, the GOG menu (with such items as regional blocking, regional pricing, regional gifting, InDev games, DLCs) is already decidedly unappetising.
While I don't share the sentiment, I have very little problem with people requesting better separation of GIDs. I think there are more pressing broken things on gog website, but if there is significant demand - why not. The corresponding wish didn't get too many votes last time I looked...

You can have section dedicated to eggplants in your grocery store, without them overruning everything. Just like I would get over GOG launching wecantfindanymoredrmfreegamestosell.gog.com site. I wouldn't shop there, I'd be sad about state of the world, but that's about it.

+1'd the eggplant diaries too, it was excellent read. Even if I don't think this kind of slippery slope will apply in case of GID. Most things in life don't reach such extremes. And if gog staff did their research, games in development shouldn't stay in development forever, they'll join normal catalogue after a while.
Post edited February 10, 2016 by huan
Posted February 10, 2016
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Wulf2k: Day 1: I was offered an eggplant, which I declined. I do not trust it. Too purple.
Day 2: Today I went to buy some grapes. It turns out that they do not sell grapes, but they were instead bags of tiny eggplants. I declined.
Day 3: Went to purchase soda. My preferred brand has been replaced with a storebrand EggPlepsi. Looked for the competing product. Also replaced with Eggplanta-Cola. Today the manager gave me the shifty eyes as I walked out again without purchasing anything.
Day 4: I was out of toilet paper and desperate, so purchased the storebrand eggplant-based toilet paper. I was confused by the options but in a rush, so went home with the single-eggply stuff. This is not absorbant. I am purple and brown from the waist down and feel nothing but shame. The eggplant-based soap was useless. Collapsed sobbing in the shower.
Day 5: I asked what was up with the eggplant based stuff on the internet. Some guy asked me what my problem was. Attempted to sob. Rubbing my eyes with eggplant-tissues caused burning and irritation.
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mrkgnao: +1'd all your posts in this thread for making me laugh so hard that I spit half my lunch (tostadas with rice, beans, and soy protein faux-meat) all over my desk (at work).

Off to get some napkins...
not eggplant based ones i hope
Posted February 10, 2016
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huan: And if gog staff did their research, games in development shouldn't stay in development forever, they'll join normal catalogue after a while.
My litmus test will be StarCrawlers, which according to the Kickstarter page was planned for full release on November 2014.
Posted February 10, 2016
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TheTome56: I don't really care.

Gamers are so whiny these days that they complain most full release games are 'not complete' and 'lacking in content'

So what's the difference between complaining about In Development games being incomplete and complaining about full release games being incomplete?
"full release"games generally try to gouge you with dlc crap

early acces games on the other hand are nothing but paid beta games where you have to opay for the dubious honor of playing a beta game
and you are out ona hope and prayer that they ever actually release the damn game proper

thats the biggest difference
Posted February 10, 2016
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TheTome56: I don't really care.

Gamers are so whiny these days that they complain most full release games are 'not complete' and 'lacking in content'

So what's the difference between complaining about In Development games being incomplete and complaining about full release games being incomplete?
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snowkatt: "full release"games generally try to gouge you with dlc crap

early acces games on the other hand are nothing but paid beta games where you have to opay for the dubious honor of playing a beta game
and you are out ona hope and prayer that they ever actually release the damn game proper

thats the biggest difference
As we have already seen with TerraTech, these are not mutually exclusive. You can be an InDev game and also have an InDev DLC, for double the fun.
Posted February 10, 2016
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snowkatt: "full release"games generally try to gouge you with dlc crap

early acces games on the other hand are nothing but paid beta games where you have to opay for the dubious honor of playing a beta game
and you are out ona hope and prayer that they ever actually release the damn game proper

thats the biggest difference
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mrkgnao: As we have already seen with TerraTech, these are not mutually exclusive. You can be an InDev game and also have an InDev DLC, for double the fun.
...oh joy of joys

but "full release"games are generally fully functional and can work on themselves even if half the content is ripped out

paid beta games have no such gurantee
Posted February 10, 2016
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Wulf2k: Is anybody else sick of this "Early Access" fad?

I approved of the concept initially but it just didn't work out. Too many of them never get completed, or are just terrible to start and leave me with no interest in ever checking them out again.
Got a list of all the ones which never got completed?
Posted February 10, 2016
So far I have had no problem with Early access, there are only two things to watch out for.

Is the game at its current state and price point acceptable for you?
I though starbound is in pretty good shape and was probably worth the price as is

Is the game going in a development direction you actually want.
this is harder to tell,
Posted February 10, 2016
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Wulf2k: Is anybody else sick of this "Early Access" fad?

I approved of the concept initially but it just didn't work out. Too many of them never get completed, or are just terrible to start and leave me with no interest in ever checking them out again.
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Niggles: Got a list of all the ones which never got completed?
I bought Starbound when it was just released for Early Access. Has that been three years now, like Google says? I have no major complaints about the game itself, but it definitely wasn't complete. I haven't played it much since, but it still is in Early Access. I have no interest in getting back into it until it's complete.

I just checked and apparently Pixel Piracy is finally out of Early Access. I wonder if it's worth playing now. I suppose that's another point, maybe they should have better communication on the progress of these games.

I don't have access to my Steam list at the moment and I can't remember which other disappointments are in there. I only bought into a few of them before deciding not to spend more money on them, but the sheer quantity of early access games turned me off.

Every game that they advertised that looked good would get me excited, and then I'd click in and see that it wasn't complete yet.
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