MMO isn't a genre type of game, it just means massive multiplayer online, i don't know why people and company have shorten to this, it's MMORPG, they have quickslots/ability bar that uses all the numbers, many would find it easier to press them all with these buttons on the mice, here's a example of 1 as they have so many different ability to use https://i.imgur.com/oLPGKgY.jpg

If you're looking for a mouse with lots of buttons, then SteelSeries Rival 500 is a very good option.

Probably Razer Naga Trinity is good too, when using the circle of buttons. Or maybe Naga Hex v2. I've never tried one of those with a whole keypad on their side, but they don't seem ergonomic to me.

Tistonic, I know that MMO is not really a genre, but that's the type of game that people use the mouse for playing - whether they're specifically RPG, I don't know, but I guess probably.

ariaspi, that Rival 500 looks really good! It looks very ergonomic with relatively large buttons, but while still having a ton of them (not as many as a RedDragon with a 4x4 grid and 4 on the top behind the wheel, but come on - how can you compete with that? And frankly, I probably wouldn't need that many buttons). But why is it so expensive on Amazon? There are other ones which are well-built and have a lot of buttons, etc. for like half the price!

EDIT: And also, why do the other mice by the same company with a higher number have fewer buttons? Did they think that was an improvement? And those end up being about the same price as well, which is a total rip-off for some mice that are basically standard!

Regarding mice, I am surprised no one has mentioned it yet so I will- the Logitech MX518

Whilst a mouse is a very personal preference, I have been using this mouse and its logical succsessors for well over 10 years.

1st MX518 dies just inside 4 year warranty.
2nd MX518 issued free by Logitech as replacement for above.
3rd G400 (succsessor to MX518) supplied at discount from Logitech as above MX518 failed just outside 3 year warranty
4th and current mouse- the re-issued MX518 legendary (successor to G400) bought after G400 failed after a few years.

As you can see, a pretty good level of support when you buy direct from Logitech. I also use one of their keyboards (G15, now sadly no longer available but mine still going strong)

The MX518 technically has 8 programmable buttons and a whopping 16000 dpi which is insanely high- i have never needed to use anywhere near this.

Link if you are interested.

https://www.logitechg.com/en-gb/products/gaming-mice/mx518-gaming-mouse.910-005545.html

Oh, I've seen that one. It really doesn't have enough buttons for me. I'm mostly looking at the SteelSeries Rival 500 right now. It's a bit expensive, but it has mostly great reviews and looks awesome, and it has the features that I want.

The bad reviews (as there inevitably always are) say that the rubber grips fall off after a while because the glue melts, but those always seem to be people who say they use it all day every day for intense gaming and they're hands are probably extremely hot and sweaty the whole time. In any case, other mice supposedly have problems with their buttons stopping working, and stuff like that, so if it's between that and the rubber grips not sticking well, I'll choose the latter.

Another one that I'm looking at, but I really don't know if I'd actually buy it, is the Swiftpoint Z. Has anyone seen this thing? It's REALLY weird, and has a ton of unique features, like pressure sensitivity, tactile vibration, the ability to tilt the mouse in various directions and have it act like a joystick! But it's even more expensive, and without being able to test it, it's hard to say whether it would be the most amazing thing in the world or the most idiotic.

EDIT: Though I am considering the Logitech G502 Hero, which is similar to the SteelSeries Rival 500, but with fewer buttons and other features, and the reviews say there are problems with the buttons. It's noticeably cheaper though.

I would personally say that aside from the buttons, which is a core element on your decision to buy, the main thing is comfort i.e. if the mouse fits your hand. Try one first if you can. I have the luxury of knowing what I need from past experience, which is hard if you are buying a fresh device. For instance I have heard that Razor are not best suited to larger hands etc.

If you get any issues with feet failing or especially with buttons failing, these can easily be fixed inside the warranty.

Because mice are such personal beasts, you will always get huge mixed reports. For instance, I have seen MX518's reviewed as having poor scroll wheels. It was never an issue for me.

Can't help you much with the steel series mice, though I do use one of their mats and it does the job admirably.

You might want to be a bit wary of that other mouse though. Hopefully someone else can give some views but it sounds a little over engineered to me if you just want to concentrate on precision aiming/movement.

I do know that the G502 Hero you mention has the same sensor as the MX518 though and I can testify to its accurate tracking.

By the way, do tell us what you go for in the end and why. Many including myself would be interested.

Mostly used for fighting games but it's just as likely it's due to retarded companies. Why aren't there more mice with 4 way scroll wheels etc.



It would be good if you could program sets of inputs if you were making a machinma movie and let the controllers take care of the characters instead of using extra helpers.

Well, you could write your own virtual device driver. Linux has, for example, uinput that lets you do this sort of thing in userspace.

I believe programs like Hourglass and libTAS have the means to record and playback input. So, for example, one could use libTAS to record a playthrough of a game like Shovel Knight or Celeste, using libTAS's other tools to optimize the input, and then later play back the inputs that beat the game in record time. In fact, this has been done for those two games; the resulting set of inputs is referred to as a Tool-Assisted Speedrun, or TAS for short.

Lazydog: Yeah, that's the tough thing about it - every single one of them has some bad reviews, but at least if most of the reviews are good and most people rate it with 5 stars then I guess it must be pretty good. I think I'll probably get the SteelSeries 500 but I'm not entirely sure.

I've been using the Rival 500 for a bit over 2 years now, as my daily mouse, at least 8 hours per day. The rubber grips didn't fall off and there's no sign they will any time soon. They wear off a little bit, but not too much to be a problem. I clean it with isopropyl / rubbing alcohol about once a month or so.

The biggest let down for this mouse is the rubber cable, which is a bit stiff, but I'm using a mouse bungee and then it becomes a non-issue. It's a rather wide and heavy mouse, but I have no problem with that and find it comfortable. I'm using a fingertip grip and my hand is medium in size, I guess, about 18 cm long.

The non-standard buttons on top (11, 12 and 13) are rather stiff to press. The ones on the left side of the left click button (11 and 12) are very difficult to reach without changing your normal hand position/grip. But that's a problem I have with any other mouse that places buttons to the left side of the left click button. (Logitech likes to place them like that on many of their models and that's why they usually are a hard pass for me. I have the G402, which technically has 5 extra non-standard buttons, but only 3 are actually usable for me).

The rightmost button (13), I find it easy to reach with my middle finger, so I'm using it in some games.

The side buttons are less stiff, but not too soft to press them accidentally. The ones in front (05 and 06) are not so easily reachable, for me, like the other four (04, 07, 08 and 09), so they don't get too much use. For the one under the thumb (08), you might need some time to get used to it. I know I didn't use it for quite some time, always forgetting that it is there.

When I was researching for mine, there were some people complaining about some disconnecting problems with the mouse. But I think they were solved with a firmware update, because I haven't had any problems with mine and I did the firmware update when I bought it. There weren't any other firmware updates after that. If you buy one now, it will probably have the latest firmware, but do check, just in case.

I haven't found any better alternative to this mouse yet. Maybe Razer Naga Trinity or Naga Hex v2, but I don't trust or like Razer much, and they are usually on the expensive side. And then there's this cheaper Trust GXT 155C Caldor, that might be decent.

As for those with 8, 9, 12, 16 buttons in a grid, I don't know. I want to try one, but I don't think they are easily usable. Seems to me like you'll press the wrong button way too often, or have to look at them each time before you press a button. But that cheap Redragon Impact might worth a try.

I sort of prefer the Rival 500 over the Logitech, because it has more buttons, and they seem to be more comfortably laid out. As for the grid button mice, I think that when they stick out in a zigzag way it makes it easier to feel where they are and know which column your thumb is on, and as for the row, I guess you just have to get used to it by the altitude.

By the way, I got a SteelSeries Rival 500. It's a really great mouse and it's extremely customizable! But does anyone know how to register the warrantee? I got it new from Amazon.