Posted February 26, 2023
ValiantDusk
New User
Registered: Aug 2022
From Canada
pds41
New User
Registered: May 2009
From United Kingdom
Posted February 26, 2023
Windows 11 is essentially Windows 10 with a new skin. Essentially, it's 2022's version of Windows XP compared to Windows 2000; in the same way that anything that works on Windows 2000 works on Windows XP; anything that works on Windows 10 works on 11.
If they were doing an Apple and doing an insane abandoning of X86-64 in favour of RISC (because their flirting with Power-PC's RISC chips in the 1990s worked out so well) and removing support for 32-bit applications, then I'd see it being more relevant.
Post edited February 26, 2023 by pds41
Dev0_NZ
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Registered: Aug 2021
From New Zealand
Posted February 26, 2023
ValiantDusk
New User
Registered: Aug 2022
From Canada
Posted February 26, 2023
Windows 11 is essentially Windows 10 with a new skin. Essentially, it's 2022's version of Windows XP compared to Windows 2000; in the same way that anything that works on Windows 2000 works on Windows XP; anything that works on Windows 10 works on 11.
If they were doing an Apple and doing an insane abandoning of X86-64 in favour of RISC (because their flirting with Power-PC's RISC chips in the 1990s worked out so well) and removing support for 32-bit applications, then I'd see it being more relevant.
vv221
./play.it developer
Registered: Dec 2012
From France
Posted February 26, 2023
Linux has been a great platform for everything including video games for at least a decade. Windows has been awful at everything since its inception. So no, nothing changed recently, and we should not expect "market shares" to change either.
But who really cares about that anyway? We already have a great system that can run tens of thousands of games, and is better than Windows at everything. Hey, thanks to softwares like WINE + DXVK we already get better performances than people playing with native DirectX on Windows, including with AAA games!
People and entreprises are not using Windows for any intrinsic quality, but because Microsoft spends more in marketing and legal than they do in software development. No sane Linux distributor would try to fight them on these fronts (I do not count Google as either sane nor a Linux distributor, despite Android).
ValiantDusk
New User
Registered: Aug 2022
From Canada
Posted February 26, 2023
Linux has been a great platform for everything including video games for at least a decade. Windows has been awful at everything since its inception. So no, nothing changed recently, and we should not expect "market shares" to change either.
But who really cares about that anyway? We already have a great system that can run tens of thousands of games, and is better than Windows at everything. Hey, thanks to softwares like WINE + DXVK we already get better performances than people playing with native DirectX on Windows, including with AAA games!
People and entreprises are not using Windows for any intrinsic quality, but because Microsoft spends more in marketing and legal than they do in software development. No sane Linux distributor would try to fight them on these fronts (I do not count Google as either sane nor a Linux distributor, despite Android).
exiledemulator
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Registered: Dec 2021
From United States
Posted February 26, 2023
I got over 2000 games and don't remember a single one that does not work on Windows 11.
It's old games. For some you might miss a runtime and some might need dgVoodoo2, others need a DLL replaced which is different in Windows 10 than it was in Windows 8.
But with a bit of tweaking they all work.
Just be glad that Microsoft has Downwards compatibility at all. If it was like on the consoles you would have to own several computers with different processors and Windows installations.
It's just not possible to make a game run by default on all Windows installations, there are way too many possibilities.
Some people update from an earlier version, some don't which means they have different files on their systems.
Sometimes some components get removed from Windows with a certain update which were there when the game was released, so these have to be readded etc etc etc.
Sure, it would be better if GOG did a standard installation of C++ libraries, DirectX, PhysX or whatever. Other users here would hate that because if would increase the size of offline installers drastically. An alternative would be a page with links to all important runtimes.
pds41
New User
Registered: May 2009
From United Kingdom
Posted February 26, 2023
First off, it would be interesting to see of the people who complained about the reliance on the Microsoft account, how many already used Linux on at least one PC or laptop (not counting devices as niche products like the Steam Deck don't count, nor do Android phones and tablets). Of the remainder (who weren't already linux users), how many actually made a switch? I suspect it isn't many as most people will just go "Oh, that's annoying, but I link my phone to an account, so why not my PC".
Secondly, people have always hated Windows UI changes (apart from Windows 7). Everyone hated XP at the time because it looked childish compared to the clean look of 2000 (or Me for users coming from a non NT system). People didn't like Vista because it wasn't XP. Everyone hated 8 (well, it was crap). 10 got away with it because 8 was genuinely terrible. 11 isn't actually that bad - yes, the right click menu being changed is annoying, but everything else is okay - especially as you can move start back to the left hand side.
Finally, there's inertia. Outside of niche or specialist roles (typically creative and a minority of IT roles) most major businesses use Windows exclusively. This is a two main reasons. Firstly, when procuring software, having a big, American company like Microsoft sat on the other side of the desk is very reassuring Secondly, you don't need to train people on how to use Windows. Your staff already know how to use it. Shifting to Linux would be too disruptive for most businesses to contemplate. Add to this, when people go to the shop to buy a computer, it comes with Windows on it (excepting of course Chrome books and Apple products) - most OEMs just don't ship with Linux and most users wouldn't install a different OS. Home builds are slightly different, but from my perspective, I wouldn't want to spend time learning a new OS (and jumping through hoops to install nVidia drivers) because I didn't like a UI or even thought I could get a couple more FPS.
For Linux to really start taking market share for home PCs, it would need to overcome those issues; I'm not saying it can't, but it's not going to be easy.
(I'd also add that the Xbox essentially runs on a system that has Windows at its core, so if we start talking about the Steamdeck pushing Linux adoption, I'd argue that the Xbox hasn't pushed Windows adoption, so I don't think it's likely to happen)
vv221
./play.it developer
Registered: Dec 2012
From France
Posted February 26, 2023
Steam Deck is not increasing Linux awareness in any way. The only awareness it could improve is Steam’s, but that would not be a good thing for anyone.
The real issue here is that Valve encourages developers to drop native ports in favour of compatibility with their WINE fork. And the "gamers" usually being an echo chamber for what Valve says, they now request "Proton compatibility" from developers, not Linux compatibility. So what they are actually asking for… is Steam compatibility.
This might be a good time to remember that Valve is not and has never been pro-Linux. Never. They are pro-Valve, and anti-Microsoft. But the only interest they see in Linux is that it is a free to use system for them to ensure their independence from things like the Windows Store. And in doing so, strengthen their de-facto control on the whole PC video games market.
BreOl72
GOG is spiralling down
Registered: Sep 2010
From Germany
Posted February 26, 2023
In that particular regard: after a short exploration some 20 years ago, I never ever bothered with Norton AV again.
Uninstalled it from my system - and then never even looked at newer versions of that program.
Norton may be good when it comes to AV measures, but it bogs down your system and is responsible for so many failures when it comes to start other programs (like games), that these failures outweight the benefits in regard to AV by far.
If I would give you a single advice: get rid of Norton.
Uninstalled it from my system - and then never even looked at newer versions of that program.
Norton may be good when it comes to AV measures, but it bogs down your system and is responsible for so many failures when it comes to start other programs (like games), that these failures outweight the benefits in regard to AV by far.
If I would give you a single advice: get rid of Norton.
KeoniBoy
New User
Registered: Jul 2018
From French Polynesia
Posted February 27, 2023
Windows 11 is essentially Windows 10 with a new skin. Essentially, it's 2022's version of Windows XP compared to Windows 2000; in the same way that anything that works on Windows 2000 works on Windows XP; anything that works on Windows 10 works on 11.
If they were doing an Apple and doing an insane abandoning of X86-64 in favour of RISC (because their flirting with Power-PC's RISC chips in the 1990s worked out so well) and removing support for 32-bit applications, then I'd see it being more relevant.
Post edited February 27, 2023 by KeoniBoy
CyberBobber
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Registered: Jun 2019
From Other
Posted February 27, 2023
Go Crypto/NFT or die. Too many big players out there, Steam, Amazon, Epic, Ubi, EA, Sony, Microsoft, GreenMan etc.
MS is offering BlockChain Nodes these days.
MS is offering BlockChain Nodes these days.
Post edited February 27, 2023 by CyberBobber
P-E-S
I like games
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted February 27, 2023
Ah yes, the often repeated "This is the year of Linux!" line... which has been used over-optimistically and unsucessfully for how many years in a row now? =P It'd take something drastic for it to overtake even the much more mainstream MacOs in daily/general-use PCs. The Steam Deck is a very niche platform and unlikely to move the needle much at all.
KeoniBoy
New User
Registered: Jul 2018
From French Polynesia
Posted February 27, 2023
Syphon72
Being postive is bad on GOG
Registered: Sep 2011
From United States
Posted February 27, 2023
I thought the whole point of this is to make them work today.
Everything is fixable of course, but this isn't the way.
And it isnt that much of work, really. I fix every single one in a few minutes. But if you're selling them for money and the whole point of the appeal of the platform is that they'll work - they really should.
Cheers and don't get me wrong. Still love the platform and will continue using it.
Post edited February 27, 2023 by Syphon72