StingingVelvet: Ukraine is a sovereign nation, they decide their goals and elections.
Oh? Somebody ought to tell Victoria Nuland. There must have been some grave misunderstanding! xD
StingingVelvet: Invading a neighbor because you don't like their policies, shelling their cities from a distance and killing indiscriminately, is wrong.
...but when the US does it to some desert shithole at the other end of the world, it's perfectly ok.
If, however, you're trying to say that you have somehow realised that invading other nations is in fact NOT ok, and all it took for you to realise that was Russia starting to do the same shit, then good for you! PROGRESS! :D
StingingVelvet: I can't believe that has to be typed out, but hey... welcome to the internet I guess.
You don't need to lecture me. I don't yield any political power, believe it or not. Tell it to your guyz in DC! I'm sure they'll be open to your suggestions! Servants of the people, and all that!
StingingVelvet: And don't whatabout me
"Whataboutism" is a term that idiots use when confronted with precedent. But ok...
StingingVelvet: a Western country
A WESTERN COUNTRY??? Come again?! Are you trying to deflect blame for the millions murdered by the US in frivolous wars based on lies, just so your establishment can grow rich over the misery and suffering of people on the other end of the world? Oh, don't tell me! It was all in the name spreading democracy/freedom/human rights!
StingingVelvet: Anyway, this debate is pointless... I only meant to reply to your "they're secretly arming Ukraine!!!" thing by telling you there's nothing secret about it on Western media, it is VERY well known.
And I ask you AGAIN: If everything is on the level, why mislabel an arms shipment as humanitarian aid? And why is this little gaffe apparently considered not newsworthy?