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HunchBluntley: Easy. I come in peace. :)
I'm just saying that one can often say something in 20 words just as clearly and helpfully as one can in 100 (especially in answer to such a brief question)...and the helpfulness of the post matters little if half the people who come across it see a post twice the height of their monitor, go, "Whoa...nuh-uh," and scroll right on past it.
Not a problem for me really, if someone skips over reading a post I've written whether due to not caring for the length of it or other reasons, then it wasn't intended for them - even if I addressed it to them. You have your way of doing things and I have my way. My way works for me quite well so I'm happy to continue with it but thanks for the advice nonetheless.
Just remember, the DRM free part doesn't apply to multiplayer.. so yes it's quite possible for your game to become unplayable if GOG or the games' DRM servers go down.
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HunchBluntley: Easy. I come in peace. :)
I'm just saying that one can often say something in 20 words just as clearly and helpfully as one can in 100 (especially in answer to such a brief question)...and the helpfulness of the post matters little if half the people who come across it see a post twice the height of their monitor, go, "Whoa...nuh-uh," and scroll right on past it.
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skeletonbow: Not a problem for me really, if someone skips over reading a post I've written whether due to not caring for the length of it or other reasons, then it wasn't intended for them - even if I addressed it to them. You have your way of doing things and I have my way. My way works for me quite well so I'm happy to continue with it but thanks for the advice nonetheless.
I do apologize if I overstepped. My "TL;DR" post was partly joking, and I didn't mean to piss off one of the more genuinely helpful forumgoers. I also don't want to derail this thread any more, so I'll leave off.
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clarry: Just remember, the DRM free part doesn't apply to multiplayer.. so yes it's quite possible for your game to become unplayable if GOG or the games' DRM servers go down.
It's true that if the game's matchmaking service or servers get shut down that the game may no longer have matchmaking abilities built into it at least, but worth noting that many (but not all) games also have direct IP and/or LAN and/or local multiplayer which is not dependent on 3rd party centralized servers. Also worth note is that a number of games in GOG's catalogue that originally had multiplayer when they first came out years ago either never came with multiplayer from the start on GOG (such as the Full Spectrum Warrior games), or the multiplayer matchmaking died when Gamespy or other similar services died. That's one of the unfortunate things about multiplayer matchmaking services, is that they are centralized by the very concept of their designs. While GOG Galaxy multiplayer is now a new option for some games that choose to use it, and it's arguably a better option that games using 3rd party services such as Gamespy or similar because GOG Galaxy multiplayer should theoretically always work as long as GOG exists, should GOG cease to exist then the matchmaking provided by Galaxy may no longer be functional as well. Hopefully more game companies will recognize the value of retaining or adding LAN and/or direct IP multiplayer to their games as was standard 10-20 years ago. IIUC, Divinity Original Sin does this so some companies still care. :)


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HunchBluntley: I do apologize if I overstepped. My "TL;DR" post was partly joking, and I didn't mean to piss off one of the more genuinely helpful forumgoers. I also don't want to derail this thread any more, so I'll leave off.
I'm not pissed off for the record. :)
Post edited June 21, 2016 by skeletonbow
If i was in your place I would be pissed .
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skeletonbow: Hopefully more game companies will recognize the value of retaining or adding LAN and/or direct IP multiplayer to their games as was standard 10-20 years ago. IIUC, Divinity Original Sin does this so some companies still care. :)
I didn't need matchmaking back in the day, I don't need it now.

"LAN" seems to be a recent trend. Specifically, intentionally restricting "DRM-free" multiplayer to (some arbitrary definition of) LAN only while requiring an account and access to the devs/publishers servers for play over the internet seems to be a thing now. There is no technical reason for doing it like this, but they do. You can probably work around it with a VPN, but it still stinks.

Of course, it's all too common to not even allow "LAN".
Post edited June 21, 2016 by clarry
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clarry: Just remember, the DRM free part doesn't apply to multiplayer.. so yes it's quite possible for your game to become unplayable if GOG or the games' DRM servers go down.
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skeletonbow: It's true that if the game's matchmaking service or servers get shut down that the game may no longer have matchmaking abilities built into it at least, but worth noting that many (but not all) games also have direct IP and/or LAN and/or local multiplayer which is not dependent on 3rd party centralized servers.
Sadly not the same games that use Galaxy. And given, if they use Galaxy, they're leaving the network code up to GOG, I'm skeptical of how many devs are going to bother implementing a separate set of network code just to enable lan/Direct connect.
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skeletonbow: It's true that if the game's matchmaking service or servers get shut down that the game may no longer have matchmaking abilities built into it at least, but worth noting that many (but not all) games also have direct IP and/or LAN and/or local multiplayer which is not dependent on 3rd party centralized servers.
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Pheace: Sadly not the same games that use Galaxy. And given, if they use Galaxy, they're leaving the network code up to GOG, I'm skeptical of how many devs are going to bother implementing a separate set of network code just to enable lan/Direct connect.
Match making is a tiny tiny part on top of a game's netcode, really there just to find the address & port of a server to connect to. Any game is basically going to have the functionality for "direct connect" anyway. By bypassing galaxy or other matchmaking services, you're adding damn close to 0 lines of code. Really, just a text box I can use to input the host's address to bypass the (unnecessary) matchmaking.
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DawidPotul: If i was in your place I would be pissed .
If I was in his place, he'd be asking "How the heck did you get in here?!"
Post edited June 21, 2016 by zeogold
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zeogold: If I was in his place, he'd be asking "How the heck did you get in here?!"
If you were in my place, you'd probably trip over junk laying around and injure yourself. :) No worries though, I'm still limping around from the nasty injury I got at the end of March that still hasn't healed fully. :)
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skeletonbow: If you were in my place, you'd probably trip over junk laying around and injure yourself.
After living in my room long enough, I'm pretty sure I've acquired the skills necessary to avoid doing that.
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zeogold: If I was in his place, he'd be asking "How the heck did you get in here?!"
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skeletonbow: If you were in my place, you'd probably trip over junk laying around and injure yourself. :)
Sounds worse than my place. I have things disorganized and laying around, but all in all it's not 'dirty' and you won't trip on stuff (unless you're in the bedroom where clothes are on the ground).
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zeogold: After living in my room long enough, I'm pretty sure I've acquired the skills necessary to avoid doing that.
DISCLAIMER: These are VERY GRAPHIC photos below of 2nd+3rd degree burns that some might find disturbing, view at own risk. I really really mean it, you'll regret clicking on them. :)


I would have thought I was up to the task too, but I totally burned myself on that - literally. Photos below. :)
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Post edited June 21, 2016 by skeletonbow
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skeletonbow: I would have thought I was up to the task too, but I totally burned myself on that - literally. Photos below. :)
Good grief, man! How'd that happen to you?! O_o

Also, just in case anybody was wondering, he wasn't joking about the disclaimer.
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rtcvb32: Sounds worse than my place. I have things disorganized and laying around, but all in all it's not 'dirty' and you won't trip on stuff (unless you're in the bedroom where clothes are on the ground).
Quite disorganized around here, lots of clutter/stuff. Working on sorting that out, but it's been difficult the last few months as I've had limited mobility, but I can get around now ok for the most part as long as I'm careful. It'll probably be another month until the injury heals up though, but I'm being real cautious around here now. :)