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UnashamedWeeb: While this is good for now, it's going to hurt gaming and ownership overall later down the road that will have a negative externality on all of us.

It's classic Silicon Valley Business 101. Make a service enticing to use with high level of service and subsidies from the company's pockets, venture capitalists, angel investors, etc. to rapidly gain market share. Then when saturation is achieved, management starts cutting costs, multi-tiering their services, and jack up the prices to maximize profitability.

Streaming, ridesharing, food delivery, social media, Youtube, Spotify, etc. are all displaying signs of decreased levels of services and higher prices. And since the games industry will always follow in the footstep trends of their film/TV entertainment industry older sibling, gaming will follow suit. Then no one won't bother to sell their game standalone because the niche market will be too small to be worth pursuing. Where have I heard that before?
100% the play and I think its already happening now. PS Plus had a price increase and honestly lost a ton of great games (the final fantasy roster is leaving this month and being replaced by mostly indies). Gamepass is also having a price hike which is inevitable but not great given the timing.

Again, I think the concept of rental is completely fine AS LONG AS the option to still purchase and own games in some measure exists. There is a vested interest by all corporations to erode this from us consumers (make everything digital, make everything a service). Usually the play is outprice the competition by keeping pricing low while expanding your customer base (Uber with ridesharing, Netflix with tv). Once the majority of the competition is dead and you are one of the few players remaining, jack up the price and profit because there arnt any alternatives to compete with you (Uber and Lyft for ridesharing, Netflix/Prime/Disney for livestreaming, Twitch/Youtube for livestreaming and video sharing) The pathetic part is when consumers praise this as "good for the consumer" because its natural for technology to consolidate. Seriously want to tell them to stop drinking the coolaid.

Problem is going digital has already removed one aspect of ownership (the ability to transfer rights so essentially, users cannot resell their old games or old media to someone else). Unlike physical CDs, digital media is also tied to an account so if you anger big Tech for some reason and lose your account or a service decides to close shop, bye bye property. Im not saying GOG is perfect but at least I know I can still keep and play the games I have the offline installers for if the storefront ever goes down unlike Steam.

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idbeholdME: Exactly this, because it seems the direction the industry desperately wants to move towards. If it was just an extra option, it would be actually great. But a future where subbing to a service is the only option to play games, like we basically have now with shows/movies, is a future I don't want to experience.

The problem of course being, that it's too appealing to normies because the price is comparatively low. But that is where it's necessary to talk about it and raise awareness, whenever possible and as you put it, explain why we're basically half way there already.
Yeah, Its far better for the publishers if everything is digital and owned by them. No second hand market so every sale of a game is money in the publisher's pocket. Consoles have moved toward "digital only" versions with no disc drive to encourage consumers to go digital only. There is honestly a lot of mediocre shows on tv that I dont mind getting lost in the sands of time but there are some tv shows that are pretty good. I can find a box set for Cobra Kai or the Expanse on Amazon but I wonder how long until even that becomes hard to do. Gaming already has stupid "limited releases" of physical copies of games by the publishers themselves (Square Enix with Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster which is now mostly owned by resellers selling a $80 game for $200+) or companies delivering poor quality physical releases and relying on FOMO (Limited Run Games).

I do think a big problem is because of normies, publishers are succeeding in eradicating game ownership. Day One updates are becoming standard with publishers refusing to release "Definitive" or "Complete" versions of games with all DLC on the disc (meaning DLC content can be and has been lost as a result). Despite the big news with the Crew closing down, online multiplayer games like Helldrivers 2 are still incredibly popular with no pushback (the issue is with PSN accounts, not the fact that the servers will eventually go down), the industry emphasis in live-service games and trying to make everything live-service now (EA clearly wants to abandon single player, Ubisoft wants always online and is using Star Wars to appeal to normies, Square still focused on NFTs and blockchain). I suppose the only good thing is if there is another video game crash and all these live services burn to the ground, there are still a ton of amazing games that are still accessible and enjoyable in the industry's past from the NES era to PS3/early PS4 era.
Sony has now announced God of War Ragnarok for PC (Steam) and it requires PSN, despite being single player with no multiplayer or online features. God of War (2018) for PC did not require PSN.

Requiring PSN for single-player PC games is not a good sign, to say the least. It's starting to look like a real change of strategy for Sony, and presumably not good news for a DRM-free storefront such as GOG.
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fionnula: Sony has now announced God of War Ragnarok for PC (Steam) and it requires PSN, despite being single player with no multiplayer or online features. God of War (2018) for PC did not require PSN.

Requiring PSN for single-player PC games is not a good sign, to say the least. It's starting to look like a real change of strategy for Sony, and presumably not good news for a DRM-free storefront such as GOG.
Well. That's it folks.
For those who doubt the "You will own nothing and be happy." mentality in the high up corpos..

May you give any source though?
Just for the sake of reading the news about it.
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fionnula: Sony has now announced God of War Ragnarok for PC (Steam) and it requires PSN, despite being single player with no multiplayer or online features. God of War (2018) for PC did not require PSN.

Requiring PSN for single-player PC games is not a good sign, to say the least. It's starting to look like a real change of strategy for Sony, and presumably not good news for a DRM-free storefront such as GOG.
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.Keys: Well. That's it folks.
For those who doubt the "You will own nothing and be happy." mentality in the high up corpos..

May you give any source though?
Just for the sake of reading the news about it.
Source.
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.Keys: Well. That's it folks.
For those who doubt the "You will own nothing and be happy." mentality in the high up corpos..

May you give any source though?
Just for the sake of reading the news about it.
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fionnula: Source.
Thank you.

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This decision of Sony makes no real practical sense to me...

Do they really think that showing the 'stats numbers of PSN users actively playing their games' to the investors will make them more money than actual people buying their games on these 170 banned countries which can't create a PSN account and play their games?

Now, even a SINGLE PLAYER ONLY GAME like Ragnarok?

What the...
Post edited May 31, 2024 by .Keys
It gets worse. Sony's PC port of Until Dawn (announced alongside God of War Ragnarok) will also require a PSN account. They're going all in on PSN for PC.

At least we got four DRM-free games out of them, I guess.
They learned from R* who requires a Social Club login on all games (even on Steam).
I wanted to buy Helldivers 2 on Steam but now I can't because of PSN requirement. Same with God Of War Ragnarok. I hate this so much.
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arsalan12: I wanted to buy Helldivers 2 on Steam but now I can't because of PSN requirement. Same with God Of War Ragnarok. I hate this so much.
The PC / Steam version of Helldivers 2 DOES NOT need PSN. You can buy Helldivers 2 on Steam.

The rolled back that desition, never implementing it in the first place.
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arsalan12: I wanted to buy Helldivers 2 on Steam but now I can't because of PSN requirement. Same with God Of War Ragnarok. I hate this so much.
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amok: The PC / Steam version of Helldivers 2 DOES NOT need PSN. You can buy Helldivers 2 on Steam.

The rolled back that desition, never implementing it in the first place.
Sorry, I forgot that they removed the requirement due to backlash, but it's still not available to buy in my country.
Post edited May 31, 2024 by arsalan12
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fionnula: It gets worse. Sony's PC port of Until Dawn (announced alongside God of War Ragnarok) will also require a PSN account. They're going all in on PSN for PC.

At least we got four DRM-free games out of them, I guess.
worse worse? what's worse to a solid GoG user I imagine

and for pc gamers in general, seems like owning a ps5 is like spending pocket change these past years

the portion that was already all in I imagine to be more or less stable all of this time and for the guys without it is probably with good reason.

of course i'm talking about the more or less 'western' group of gamers
Post edited May 31, 2024 by Zimerius
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arsalan12: I wanted to buy Helldivers 2 on Steam but now I can't because of PSN requirement. Same with God Of War Ragnarok. I hate this so much.
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amok: The PC / Steam version of Helldivers 2 DOES NOT need PSN. You can buy Helldivers 2 on Steam.

The rolled back that desition, never implementing it in the first place.
Its not exactly like this it seems.
They apparently rolled back the requirement of PSN, but only for people that already bought it.
From now on, people from those 180 banned countries cannot buy Helldivers 2 because PSN is blocked in said countries.

And that makes no sense to me... when we go to the Steam reviews people are praising the community for a victory that actually didn't happened at all because many people are still blocked.