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It looks bad, really bad.

I wasn't even going to spend any more time here, I felt I was done with it all - no longer a customer - but then I kind of reconsidered. I mean, I'm still not buying anything until this is addressed but, after some reading, I decided to make a last stand before going away for good.

I came across this post:

"After receiving many messages from gamers, we have decided not to list the game in our store." - we don't know what those messages were, we just assumed it was angry Pooh-fans... Could also have been Chinese GOG customer who are afraid of losing access to their accounts if GOG put themselves in the spotlight of Chinese authorities.
To which I replied:
If that is the case, GOG better tell us (I would be OK with that). Because right now this looks bad, really bad.

I have over 600 games here in this site, many of those I'm probably never even going to play, that's how much I decided to support this project. I don't want to go back to my old days of piracy, but these companies are not making my life easy with such s... policies.

Epic is hard to swallow, Steam in nearly as evil, now GOG bends the knees to Chinese threats? Nowhere to run it seems.
I then realized that what is hurting me the most is the lack of transparency on the part of the GOG team. They claim to be doing this because of gamers? What am I to you, GOG, a joke?

Tell us the truth. WE CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH.
Post edited December 18, 2020 by RafaelRamus
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It's pretty gross that they used "messages from gamers" as an excuse when it's clear they don't want to risk their China money.

Just man up and say it.
I'll still not support you but at least you can keep some dignity other than embarrassing yourself.
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RafaelRamus: It looks bad, really bad.

I wasn't even going to spend any more time here, I felt I was done with it all - no longer a customer - but then I kind of reconsidered. I mean, I'm still not buying anything until this is addressed but, after some reading, I decided to make a last stand before going away for good.

I came across this post:

"After receiving many messages from gamers, we have decided not to list the game in our store." - we don't know what those messages were, we just assumed it was angry Pooh-fans... Could also have been Chinese GOG customer who are afraid of losing access to their accounts if GOG put themselves in the spotlight of Chinese authorities.
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RafaelRamus: To which I replied:

If that is the case, GOG better tell us (I would be OK with that). Because right now this looks bad, really bad.

I have over 600 games here in this site, many of those I'm probably never even going to play, that's how much I decided to support this project. I don't want to go back to my old days of piracy, but these companies are not making my life easy with such s... policies.

Epic is hard to swallow, Steam in nearly as evil, now GOG bends the knees to Chinese threats? Nowhere to run it seems.
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RafaelRamus: I then realized that what is hurting me the most is the lack of transparency on the part of the GOG team. They claim to be doing this because of gamers? What am I to you, GOG, a joke?

Tell us the truth. WE CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH.
The Truth is, the game was removed from steam over a year ago because the CCP demanded it... and was removed from GOG for the same reason. China has massive amounts of control in our world and corporations will not risk losing the chinese market when the CCP says "do this which affects everyone in the world, or you cannot sell your goods here"
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This new trend of censorship as to not offend anyone is maddeng, and infuriating.

I will turn on a company on a dime when they censor or cancel something just to not offend someone. Censorship is a heinous crime in my book.

I don't hate gog for what they did, but I also am turned off. I have no desire to ever support a spineless cuck of a company that won't stand against censorship.

Everytime someone like gog does something like this then it just makes the complainers more bold and more powerful. If companies like gog simply ignored those people they would have no power and dissapear, instead they feed them by giving in.

Sure your censorship earned you a few dollars but you're losing dollars from people like me.
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It's not just that they are losing money. They are losing loyal customers. And I for one am going to tell anyone that asks my opinion that GOG is no longer a trusted partner in this exchange.

But whatever, right. They can now turn to their other new loyal 'gamers'. But note, GOG, those are fickle players, do not cross them, do not deviate from the party line...
What's there to be transparent about? They got inundated with complaints from a mix of sock puppet social media accounts and rabid pro-CCP activists, and probably got threatened with being banned in China.
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Nereosis: I'll still not support you but at least you can keep some dignity other than embarrassing yourself.
Then why should they if your not gonna support them anyway? Whatever the fuck they do, they still lost consumers like you.

And the only one who's losing is you for forsaking this store and any potential new game that comes out in it that you might like and DRM Free, if you choose to never come back here again.
Post edited December 18, 2020 by Elmofongo
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IAmBored2: The Truth is, the game was removed from steam over a year ago because the CCP demanded it.
As has been pointed out many times since all of these discussions started, the dev removed their own game from steam. Unlike the case here where the store (gog) is the one who decided the game wouldn't be for sale.
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IAmBored2: The Truth is, the game was removed from steam over a year ago because the CCP demanded it.
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mm324: As has been pointed out many times since all of these discussions started, the dev removed their own game from steam. Unlike the case here where the store (gog) is the one who decided the game wouldn't be for sale.
The steam version was pulled off cuz the publisher (In China who also the one for steam verison)got their publisher license revoked due to the game content.
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mm324: As has been pointed out many times since all of these discussions started, the dev removed their own game from steam. Unlike the case here where the store (gog) is the one who decided the game wouldn't be for sale.
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wuxu1980: The steam version was pulled off cuz the publisher (In China who also the one for steam verison)got their publisher license revoked due to the game content.
I thought the dev pulled their game from steam prior to the publisher getting their license revoked. But either way the fact is that steam didn't force the removal of the game, it was the devs who did it.
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Nereosis: It's pretty gross that they used "messages from gamers" as an excuse when it's clear they don't want to risk their China money.
Seriously.
This is, quite honestly, the exact same situation Blizzard found themselves in. They saw the dollar signs in their eyes for all the money they could make by selling in China, and left their beliefs behind. And then they wrote some mealy mouthed non-apology meant to appease the people who were upset while still not sacrificing the dollar signs.
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wuxu1980: The steam version was pulled off cuz the publisher (In China who also the one for steam verison)got their publisher license revoked due to the game content.
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mm324: I thought the dev pulled their game from steam prior to the publisher getting their license revoked. But either way the fact is that steam didn't force the removal of the game, it was the devs who did it.
The fact that they need a license to publish a game is pretty sick to start with.
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RafaelRamus: I then realized that what is hurting me the most is the lack of transparency on the part of the GOG team. They claim to be doing this because of gamers? What am I to you, GOG, a joke?

Tell us the truth. WE CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH.
This, absolutely. While I´m infuriated by GOG´s decision itself, what probably irritates me most is their supposed ´explanation´ about ´messages from gamers´. Why not just straight out say the reason or at least frame it in a more diplomatic and ´optimistic´ manner (e.g. "we have decided not to list the game in our store AT THE MOMENT")? They didn´t even bother to include an ´unfortunately´ or an apology in there! Whoever wrote/decided on that tweet should get immediately sacked and never work in PR again.

This is the second time GOG has pissed me off in the past few months with their PR. First with their release of Konami games in September, which are not available in Japan and several other Asian countries (though that´s on Konami´s behalf), yet GOG doesn´t bother to mention that or reply to your inquiries on that matter (on a side note, Wolfenstein II also doesn´t show up for me here, I wonder why...), and now this.

Is the Chinese market really that significant for GOG as it is for, say, Steam? If so, why not just block the sale of the game in China (they obviously can do that). And what about Red Candle Games themselves? Haven´t they patched the Xinnie the Pooh thing out since the game got pulled off Steam last year? If it´s just this one thing (which non-Chinese reading players won´t even notice), the absence of which - from what I understand - wouldn´t harm the overall atmosphere, story, or gameplay experience, why would it be a problem to sell a patched version of the game? I´d very much rather have the game available without one Xinnie the Pooh reference than not have it available at all. They could have just postponed it´s release after CP2077 GOTY comes out if that´s the issue :P

All in all, I´m appalled by GOG´s behaviour towards both its users as well as towards RCG as a business partner and developer. I wonder if they´ll at least have the guts to apologize and come clean...

PS: Devotion went from some 500 to 6800+ wishes on the wishlist within 24 hours. How´s that for ´messages from gamers´, c*nts?
Post edited December 18, 2020 by Rimland23