My reply is getting long, so breaking it up to start the timer while I finish reading.

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Did you see his response? I judged that I wouldn't get anything more by myself and no one else has seemed interested, thus further pursuit on my part was useless. If you actually care about Bler's dodge, then you try prodding him.

Of those in your list:
-one is me
-two are in my favorites for scum
-I'm suspicious of yet another
-the last one in the list has also expressed suspicion of Cristi

Combine that with the fact that the only lynch vote you've received all game was during RVS (from the guy in your list who later more seriously voted Cristi), and I hope I can be forgiven for thinking there just isn't much momentum for lynching you right now. :)

So? How is that interesting, considering I've already labeled you as likely scum before he did?

Is it more interesting than him mentioning you as scummy, considering I've been suspicious of both of you?

You reference 161, where I answer a question that Trent posed to the group at large.

Are you going to feel special or creeped out [strikethru]when[/strikethru] if that shows up at your door?

I don't have anything specific lines to point at. The feel of his posting just doesn't quite speak 'town' to me, especially his opening posts.

There is a "build it and hope they come" element. In my experience, people are more willing to vote for someone they find suspicious if other player(s) also seem interested. You'll notice that some players are already trying to narrow the lynch down to two wagons that are already running.

However, it isn't 'just' because of that. I have been genuinely concerned that Cristi may be scum.

You found it helpful that Damnation was accusing ZFR for talking as if "there are multiple townies in the game" is a sure thing? Sorry, "aggressively questioning".

I have no quarrel with Damnation pursuring ZFR, provided he does so with at least semi-reasonable questions. I do not find bat-boop insane questions to be a useful means of interrogating someone, but apparently that's just me.

I completely agree that his avatars are very frequently related to the game in some fashion. My issue on the avatar analysis isn't that you used it as a clue on Flub (he's established it as a pattern, so its fair game. I made some guesses myself because of it), but that I've always seen it as Role related, if it has any game significance at all.

I object. I've gone back to confirm my memory, and that isn't one of the ones where town!me lied. I didn't (and couldn't) deliberately choose to use my role on CSPVG. I had a list of numbers to pick, and the one I picked happened to apply to CSPVG. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I never said I specifically targeted CSPVG for investigation.

If the lie is some other point, then I'll be curious to hear what it was.

I'll concede that several of them could be read as AI, though I wouldn't have done so.

Suggestion: Lets come back to this question post game, once the main potential for lies/prevarication/stretching are out of the way. And if Flub turns out to be a Cylon, then remind me to offer you an apology. You get a multiplier for it if you are town and another multiplier if he flips goon.

In the meantime, I'll take a step back and re-evaluate.

Unvote Cristi

With me having virtually nothing but the broadest knowledge of the BSG lore, seeing "Hey, what if there is a player who is scum but doesn't know it yet" out of the blue right at the beginning of the game rubbed me wrong. It would be a distinctly unusual mechanic, even for GOG mafia, so why jump to it?

However, she also mentioned it being a thing in the mini-series which she just watched, so I was willing to let it slide unless/until more stuff came up. I noted a squinty face in her direction in Post 114, and this plus the initial interest in Flub's avatar (was she trying to lynch or out a PR on D1?) is why.

I thought Flub's tagline was a good catch, until it was later brought up that the tagline wasn't new. Still a point in her favor.
Likewise, Pylon/Cylon rhyme seemed really weak, but it was a point in her favor.
I didn't like the PR hunt aspect, but I couldn't pursue it at the time without drawing more attention to it myself. And then the PR hunt just...kept...happening.

My direct read on ZFR is straight neutral (no read). I know he's sharp, and he's proven to be quite gutsy in the game where he was a mason. If pressed, I'd say he isn't scum simply because my scum card is already full.

I think the wagon on him is terrible because I think the things he's being attacked over aren't even the proverbial molehill. Unless something significant happens, I won't be joining that wagon at any point on Day 1.

He isn't the only quiet person I pinged about brig mechanics.

I answered his PR question in the spirit of answering a relative newbie's possibly good faith question in good faith. I'm not going to put much effort into trying to explain him making a 'too friendly' attack on you but not on me; you can ask him that, he's plenty smart enough to defend himself. My no-effort guess is that I've only answered the one question, while he might perceive you as trying to buddy up to him at multiple points.

I see no reason to push ZFR at the moment. Plenty of people are already doing it, though I'm not thrilled about what people are jumping on him for. With several people making distinctly scummy posts, I simply am not as interested in pursuing him at this time. He can be sorted later in the game, same as Flub, Vitek, HSL, and Trent.

I've made my position on several players, including my favorites for scum, clear already. I've been holding my "I don't plan to join the ZFR lynch" position in reserve to see if anything truly interesting comes out of ZFR being pressured.

To comment on another potential wagon, I'd be up for a SPF lynch.

Lynch Vote SirPrimalForm

Cheers!


Not sure I see how you could have misunderstood his tone when his complete point was [emphasis added]: That's a clear indication that he sees the brig as an additional tool to the lynch, and not one preferably in place of it.

So, why did you leave out the part I highlighted in your post #226?


[emphasis added]

Not sure what you mean by the part I highlighted - I thought that alignment/roles assignment is random (RNG, die)?

Since you're open to interpret flavour in relation to game setup (and vice versa?), I don't quite see how you consolidate this with what Damantion did rubbing you the wrong way (post #103); looks like a pot, kettle, black case to me, and wonder how your admitted awareness of you too bringing flavour into the game factored into you sort of backtracking from that now.

I also had another question for you in that same post, right under my reply to your previous games question, which you didn't answer:

Did you miss it, or are you pulling a bler144-dodge?


I see Damnation grilled ZFR, and Bookwyrm627 and Damnation got into a pretty big argument over that last night. I need to reread all that carefully again, along with other more content heavy posts on the past couple of pages (6-7), but it will have to wait until later this evening; I'm meeting family from out of town in less than an hour, but will be back after they leave. Provided I'd still have electricity by the time I return home; fingers crossed.

Who is SPR? Do you mean SPF?

I sure do wish people would stop using initials for everyone's names and spell the names out, it's confusing :-/




Why did you never move your vote? Are you waiting to see if ZFR can be lynched without you being on the wagon? Or are you just waiting so you can vote the second biggest wagon to make it look like you were trying to achieve a lynch today?

Why not pursue flubs lynch if you think he is scum? Just posting a semi history of his avatar in previous games and not much else is not much of an argument for his lynch, I even find it scummy that you would pursue someones lynch based on their avatar. A lynch should be based on how someone is playing and posting this game, any game previous or avatar previous means nothing now. I'll be keeping an eye on you.

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I am starting to see ZFR as a frustrated townie and I think he would be a bad lynch. As I said before Cristi has been my #2 suspect as scum and I am moving my vote to her. Her vote on flub for his avatar is very scummy and I have not seen her try to really hunt scum, her only focus for the most part has been flubs avatar and what it means.

Unvote ZFR
Vote cristigale

The "shouldn't I be working?" vote count.

Lynch:

ZFR - 4 (JoeSapphire, littlerabbit, SirPrimalform, bler114)
SirPrimalform - 2 (Vitek, Bookwyrm)
JoeSapphire - 1 (Damnation)
flubbucket - 1 (cristigale)
bler114 - 1 (ZFR)
Bookwyrm - 1 (elebutterfly)
littlerabbit - 1 (flubbucket)
cristigale - 1 (trentonlf)

Brig:

Bookwyrm - 1 (Vitek)
elebutterfly - 1 (Bookwyrm)
Damnation - 1 (littlerabbit)

(With 13 active players, it takes 7 votes for a consensus to be reached.)

Day 1 will end tomorrow at midnight UTC (30 hours from now).

It was clear before.;-)

It finally made me to haul my ass over there and check your posting there.

Results I got are inconclusive.
ZFR was much more laid-back and proactive there during D1, much less defensive and disimissive but he never got under that kind of pressure he got in here and he was 1 of 3 masons and it certainly helps to handle the pressure when you have 2 players who know you are town.
He also posted T/S list even earlier than we are in this game but most of those reads were "not sure" or similar.
He used random.org there too and even posted proof of it. Something I would find scummy if I didn't know he was town.

So he acted somewhat differently than here but there are also different cirumstances that could explain it.


I thought you were so rugged!

Fear not, I've made my case and am more or less done arguing the usefulness of the Brig. I'll use it, and others can use it or not.

Is there an acronym dictionary or something?

I'm guessing EB = Elebutterfuly, CG = Cristigale, and BW = Bookwyrm, but I have no idea what "aifam/mucs" is supposed to be.

I'm guessing "Low hanging fruit", as in "someone who is going to be easy to lynch".

Oh good. I started an eye roll/face palm with the first line, and had a "whew, he's not being serious" moment with the second.

*shrug* Looking back, that's true, so re-breaking? I'd forgotten Vitek had actually been voting her prior to my vote on her; I hadn't been paying much attention to her wagon before I moved over.

Trent, Bler, Vitek, and (presumably) Joe himself weren't going to help lynch Joe. That's already 4 of the 7 non-votes needed to block the lynch.

In the meantime, I recalled a few labels of her as scummy and not many people labeling her as town. Maybe some more people would emerge if her wagon became viable.

Answer is in my response to Ele in Post 346. I left it open ended to see what he'd say.

Hopefully I can be forgiven for stepping in again.

As I understand it, the alignment/roles were randomly assigned to the various slot numbers before the game started. Thus, the kerfluffle around choosing/swapping slot numbers; you didn't know what each slot held, but you were effectively picking your role/alignment. With that said, here's a reminder that Character names won't reveal who is a Cylon.

ZFR is, of my scumreads, the wagon with the most traction. But ok, let's see what happens.

unvote ZFR

vote Bookwyrm

*stares at elebutterfly*

When I say wriggle away, I mean stop posting or not address things. I like to think I've been meeting most things head on. I did have an extra busy weekend that included a big birthday party so my posting rate may have dipped then. Joe was also at said party BTW.

:S
I shall refrain from making jokes henceforth.

No, that was a lie. I can't not make jokes.

*slow clap*


Well that accusation was as much as anything to see if it provoked a response (Reckless Abandon™). I've continued to watch but I usually keep this to myself for a bit so the body of evidence is bigger. bler is looking more town to me now and I actually think ele seems to be trying to buddy up.

When I have a lot of catching up to do I have a bad habit of posting as I go. Post 200 is an example of that, it was a reply to one of bler's posts because I had a reply notification but I wasn't actually fully caught up. I get that this is a bad practice but I wanted to go to sleep.
When I decided to vote for ZFR it was while catching up and didn't actually realise I put him at L-3. It's my fault for doing a skim read catch up.

Well the two go hand in hand. I could easily see BW and EB being teammates and I find both of them suspicious. I find ZFR the most outright scummy.

ZFR-BW-EB seems possible as a scum team, but I don't see as much linking the pair to ZFR, I just find them independently scummy.

Does anyone else think ZFR stands for ZirFrimalrorm?

;_;

I like to think my win record is 100% in this at least.


Well spotted. Yes, it's meant to be can't.

When you say the last sentence, you mean "Scummier still"? Well I got where Damnation was coming from and to my mind it seemed Bookwyrm was trying to stir up suspicion out of nowhere.

I found it to be a reasonable question perhaps poorly phrased. The way I read it, the actual point was about the phrasing "other town players". Talking like that is the type of thing that shows up on my scumdar faintly. Damnation was right to question this, but I agree the question could have been phrased better. The point is, if you really are town in a closed set up, you shouldn't be making assumptions. If you are scum however, you sometimes have a better idea of the structure of the game.

By the way, is that meant to be bat-poop or Betty Boop? I feel like you changed your mind half way through.

Well hotdamn! Now my vote for you is going to look like OMCUS even though I decided on it about half an hour before getting to this post.

In this case, I feel I should post this and then continue in another post.

Speaking of which, how do other people feel about Bookwyrm?

Not only masons could help me, I knew exactly who to hunt for: 2 cyborgs, 2 mutants. Now I don't even know who the other players are. A closed set up feels so much different.

Since we're running low on time and I don't want D1 to end with no lynch, and I don't see anyone else getting on bler's wago, I'm willing to switch to the other person I find scummy.

Unvote bler
Vote SirPrimalForm

So soon after Bookwyrm? That is extremely interesting considering I have both of you pegged as scum.

BTW, read the title below my avatar!

Yes, because if he voted it means there is a chance this wagon will actually get traction as opposed to bler.

You read mine.

Hahaha. It's a common misconception that Primalform is constructed out of the two words Primal and Form. It's actually an an Anglicised form of an old Italian name and is correctly spelled without the space (or capital F).

It's backwards. ;-)
You got all abbreviations right, bravo.
I am only said I got annoyed by it before I got to use the good ones like SPO for Sir Primalf Orm or DN for Dam Nation. :-/


Kill me. I asked about it and then use the phrase myself wihtout figuring it out.

I tried to have a boating holiday there once. It wasn't good.

Also the correct way to break it up is actually Sirp Rimalf Orm, but don't tell ZFR.

Let me ask you some direct questions:
1) Is "There is more than one town player in the game" a reasonable assumption to make on Day 1 in any given mafia game?

2) Is such an assumption more reasonable or less reasonable than assuming "I am the only town player in the game"?

3) Is such an assumption more reasonable or less reasonable than assuming "There are no town players in the game"?

4) Given what we were told about the setup in the sign up thread, is such an assumption reasonable in this particular game?

Over the course of time, I'm attempting to remove/reduce/censor my use of profanity. I'm shamelessly cribbing the substitute from a webcomic that I enjoy.

'Batshit insane' is the uncensored version.

Eh, do it anyway. You've been moving that direction for a good while now.

I was only wondering how long it would take you and Ele, or if ya'll would get distracted with some other wagon to avert your potential lynch.

This is weird. Either you have something in which case you should be mentioning it to back up your vote OR you have nothing but want to allude to something to justify your vote.

"Oh, I have a super secret reason that I'll only discuss after the game" is super scummy.