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Hi, everyone. Welcome to GOG Mafia game #72!

This is a game of Forum Mafia. Please don't post here unless you've been directed here from the sign up thread or PM, or were otherwise told by the mod that you should post here. Exception: anyone, including dead players and non-players, may make a bump post if a player asks for it here or in the admin thread. You may also use an alt-user to make a bump post. The bump post should contain no game-relevant information.

Direct any queries you may have to the the General Discussion and Administration Pages or to me via PM.

Rules:

1. dedoporno is the moderator for this game. If you have any issues, contact him via PM.

2. Cryptoclaiming is forbidden.
(In short, cryptoclaiming is having people claim in some sort of, preferably nearly unbreakable, code, which makes it all but impossible for the Mafia team to win.)

3. Betting among players is strictly forbidden.

4. Real Life issues and situations should and will always take priority over what happens in the game. If a player presents a real life issue as a reason on why they need a bit more time or are temporarily unavailable to partake normally in the game that reason should be accepted and respected by everyone else (including the mod). Everyone should always treat real life problems/situations in a gentlemanly manner and never try to make accusations or gain leverage in the game based on that. If these issues become too overwhelming the incapacitated player should inform their mod and ask for a replacement as soon as possible or if they are unable to do so the mod should take steps in finding a replacement for them. Everyone should be playing the game for fun and treat each other with the necessary respect. Therefore we shall always assume that every real life reason for inefficient participation in the game is 100% real and has to be taken as such. We shall also count on everyone playing the game to show proper respect and sportsmanship to their fellow players and the mod by never abusing this "free pass". If someone is caught taking advantage of everyone's good will they will be immediately allowed to find another place to play forum mafia.

5. This is a game of lying. Players are expected to lie. No statement or promise a player makes within the game has any force outside the game. As an example, a bet offered in a game is not something you can collect if you win (see also Rule 2). An exception to this are Real Life issues, as per Rule 3.
With that in mind, you might want to avoid sensitive topics, ones which would benefit from having all the participants telling the truth, till after the game is finished.

6. Have fun and enjoy the game. While shouting at each other is expected in a game of Mafia, please remain civil to your fellow players.

I, dedoporno, strongly dislike people getting out of line and resorting to personal insults, especially when those are ugly and hurtful, so players who do that will get struck down without warning and right of appeal.

7. Please bold any questions you have for me and refer to me by name or anything that will make it clear that your question if directed to me, so it's easier for me to see them. You may use bold for other reasons (like stressing a point) but please avoid doing so excessively.

8. It goes without saying that discussing this game outside this thread is prohibited but it is also said anyway.

9. Do not edit your posts for any reason!! Remember there is a forum feature that automatically merges posts made within 10 minutes. There is also a forum bug which prevents your post from appearing sometimes when it should appear on a new page. Making a second post in this case after less than 10 minutes can cause your post to be merged and appear edited.

10. If you die, stop posting in this thread. A single "bah" post is allowed and encouraged. Your "bah" post should not contain any game-relevant information.

11. You are expected to make a post at least once every 48 hours. If you need to be away for longer, please let me know in advance. Posting more frequently makes for a more interesting game. So try to participate as much as you can.

12. I don't care if you quote your PM directly as that information is public anyway. I still advise against doing so as it is bad practice and you shouldn't get accustomed to it.

13. If you do something intentionally in a way that goes against the spirit of the game, you will be penalized. When in doubt, ask me first.

14. Breaking rules, depending on the severity of the infraction, can get you modkilled at my discretion. Getting modkilled can be hazardous to your health and it means you lose regardless of whether your team wins or loses. I will also point at you and laugh. It's bad in general, so please don't get modkilled.

15. Once a majority votes for a player, that player gets lynched. No amount of unvoting is going to help them.

16. If no majority vote is achieved before Day ends, then no lynch takes place.

17. You have to read the rules before playing.

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This game has the best kind of flavour which is none. The title should suffice.

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GAME-SPECIFIC RULES

The game is semi-mountanous, meaning there are no special roles for either team outside of a

SINGLE HIDDEN INNOCENT CHILD

Their role will remain secret for as long as they like until they make an official public claim along the lines of "I'm the Innocent Child, @mod, back me up" or anything that makes it clear to the mod they wish to come out.

As long as the mod is directly asked to support the claim the role will be confirmed and they will get a 1-shot Bulletproof ability on the following night. The 1-shot Bulletproof modifier is passive and will kick in automatically with the official confirmation - it cannot be saved for later and it will go away even if the person is not targeted for a Night Kill on that night.

NB: Hinting at the role or claims that aren't submitted for official confirmation will ignored and won't trigger the Bulletproof modifier even if the claiming player is in fact the Innocent Child.

There are exactly two mafia players in the game and they are allowed to day-chat as long as the Hidden Innocent Child remains hidden. Once they request mod confirmation or they get Night-Killed, whichever happens first, the mafia day-chat will transform into a standard Night-only chat.

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To vote someone, you have to bold your vote. Preferably on a separate line. Like this:

vote JoeSapphire

Similarly, to remove your vote just

unvote JoeSapphire

Writing something without bolding won't count. The most recent valid vote counts. You don't have to unvote before voting again. Even though it's not strictly required to include the name of the unvoted person it makes it easier for me to keep track, so please try to do so. You may kick, tickle, scold or do lots of interesting things to each other - but those won't count as votes. Only the word vote is a vote.

You may also vote no-lynch. A majority for no-lynch will end the Day without a lynch.

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Sample Town Vanilla PM:

You're Town Vanilla.

You can vote to lynch someone during the Day.

You win when both scum players are lynched.

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Sample Town Innocent Child PM:

You're Town Innocent Child.

You can vote to lynch someone during the Day.
Whenever you make your role claim along with a public official request to the mod to support it you will get publicly confirmed and will get 1-shot Bulletproof modifier which will activate automatically on the following night.

You win when both scum players are lynched.

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Sample Mafia Goon PM:

You're a Mafia Goon.

Your teammate is [TEAMMATE_NAME_HERE].

You can talk to them during game Nights in here: [SCUM_CHAT_LINK]
Once per Night you and your teammate can choose and take out one Town player.

You win when you control the vote which is when the number of alive Mafia players equals the remaining alive Town players.

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Useful links:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Main_Page
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_administration_and_general_discussion_1/page1

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List of Players:

1) ZFR - Town Vanilla - NK-ed on N1
2) Microfish_1 - Mafia Goon
3) Catte - Mafia Goon
4) GymHenson - Town Vanilla
5) Lifthrasil - Town Vanilla - NK-ed on N2
6) Joppo (originally nmillar) - Town Vanilla - NK-ed on N4
7) Pookina - Town Vanilla
8) blotunga - Town Vanilla - Lynched on D3
9) Bookwyrm627 - Town Innocent Child - NK-ed on N3 while still being Hidden
10) trentonlf (originally FlockeSchnee) - Town Vanilla - Lynched on D5

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Post edited May 27, 2021 by dedoporno
The game is now live. You may begin posting.

Good luck to everyone!
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Vote Catte.

I'm pretty sure he's a killer.
VOTE COUNT

Catte 1 - Bookwyrm627 (#3)

With 10 players it takes 6 votes to achieve a lynch.

Catte is closest to lynch at L-5.

D1 ends in approximately 8.5 days
Morning dudes. Voting an inocent feline, eh?

vote Bookwyrm
And there's the scum team. Man, this game is easy!
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Bookwyrm627: And there's the scum team. Man, this game is easy!
Hrm.....possible shading by scum!Bookwyrm or just a harmless joke and-or search for scum by town!bookwyrm?

I don't want to lose ya too early (even if you're scum) as you haven't played in awhile & it's nice to have ya back in game, yet I also want to catch scum....decisions, decisions.

Hey OP, can I half vote? I kid, I kid.

Ok then:

Vote Bookwyrm

(will prolly remove later on, though)
Even number of players, no parity change at Night (barring a bastard mod), so again optimal play is NL at D1. However, since people weren't really happy with doing it last game, I won't be pushing for this, but neither will I be unhappy if NL happens naturally, so as long as we have an even number of players I won't be following my usual "better-lynch-anyone-than-NL" policy.

Incidentally, optimal play for IC is not to reveal self till last Day. Though of course, I don't won't to tell him/her how to play. Let him play the way he'll enjoy it best. Just one thing: there is literally zero reason to claim on a day we're going for NL, if we go that way. Also note, that with no other PRs, there is no reason for Mafia not to NK an outed IC (pre post EDIT: maybe I should say no mathematical reason. If the IC is an utter moron and is helping Mafia with his votes, they might decide to NK an experienced player instead).

Regardless, the mathematical advantage of hiding till last Day is pretty small, so overall play however you enjoy it. For example in a 4 Town vs 1 Mafia game:

Without IC:
Town EV = 53.33%

With IC, who claims immediately:
Town EV = 50%

With IC, who claims last Day, unless about to be lynched
Town EV = 43.33%

And funnily enough:
With IC, who claims last Day, no matter what, is obstinate and won't claim even if about to be lynched:
Town EV = 46.67%

Don't be obstinate.


With all that in mind, the only thing I'd ask Town is not to put anyone at L-1 before giving them the chance to claim, to prevent accidental or "accidental" lynches. If you want to put someone at L-1, say so without doing it. Let them claim. Especially with an even number of players where NL is much better than Unclaimed Lynch.
EDIT:
That "Town EV" should of course read "Mafia EV". Town EV should be 1 - (Mafia EV) and increase as IC plays better.

Also, all of the above doesn't take the 1-bulletproof of IC into account which I didn't notice. So the numbers are not the way it will work for this game.

With that in mind, I *think* the optimal play for IC is to claim on the penultimate Day, since he won't be NKed anyway and will continue in the last Day. Unless about to get lynched earlier. But I'm too lazy to do the maths.
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Bookwyrm627: And there's the scum team. Man, this game is easy!
Where? I don't see them.


But on the other hand:
vote ZFR

no-lynch is boring!
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ZFR: Even number of players, no parity change at Night (barring a bastard mod), so again optimal play is NL at D1. However, since people weren't really happy with doing it last game, I won't be pushing for this, but neither will I be unhappy if NL happens naturally, so as long as we have an even number of players I won't be following my usual "better-lynch-anyone-than-NL" policy.
I would prefer we find and get rid of a scum on D1, but I would also be ok with a NL for D1 as well.
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ZFR: Incidentally, optimal play for IC is not to reveal self till last Day.
So you didn't see the part in the OP post about scum having a day chat and a night chat until the IC outs themselves?

(after the IC outs themselves, the scum then only have a night chat, if I read the OP post right)
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ZFR: With all that in mind, the only thing I'd ask Town is not to put anyone at L-1 before giving them the chance to claim, to prevent accidental or "accidental" lynches. If you want to put someone at L-1, say so without doing it. Let them claim. Especially with an even number of players where NL is much better than Unclaimed Lynch.
Sounds good

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bump needed, plox
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Lifthrasil: Where? I don't see them.
Pssst. Over here. It's Bookwyrm and Catte. Everyone knows cats are killers, so Bookwyrm should have known instead of just being pretty sure. Obviously Catte is hiding in the bushes somewhere for the nightkill to walk by.
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Lifthrasil: Where? I don't see them.
I believe Book was inferring-implying that post 5 was scum!blotunga possibly protecting his scum mate.

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Lifthrasil: no-lynch is boring!
No flavor is also boring(sorry OP), but here we r.

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@ Flocke(Post 12): Quick, check if anyone else here has a bird or mouse themed nickname....we must warn them of the possible danger! o.0 ;)
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GymHenson: @ Flocke(Post 12): Quick, check if anyone else here has a bird or mouse themed nickname....we must warn them of the possible danger! o.0 ;)
Let's
vote Gym
for spotlighting my flaws (I didn't think of checking that). And for continued suggestion of physical activity (going to the gym). And noone did so already and I like feeling special.
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GymHenson: So you didn't see the part in the OP post about scum having a day chat and a night chat until the IC outs themselves?
I did (and it's a very nice idea by dedo, since it gives the IC some strategy to consider: stay hidden for the mathematical advantage or reveal early to take away the Day Chat from scum). But I was referring purely to EV calculations; Day Chat doesn't influence them.