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nightcraw1er.488: No, the Skyrim creation is a drm platform for modding which excludes any users not using its platform.
It’s like steam workshop. It’s an attempt to control and monetise modding.
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BKGaming: I'm not 100% sure about Skyrim but again microtransactions =/= DRM. It can certainly but it doesn't always. Small DLC like horse armor in Oblivion is a microtransaction. Sometimes this is sold as external DLC, sometimes this is sold via an in-game store.

Skyrim DLC / mods work via plugins. If I can copy those plugins to another copy of the game and play them without any online checks or without owning said content on a different account then those plugins (or files) are DRM free. Only if they try to confirm ownership or prevent copying can the be really labeled as DRM. I haven't tried this, but in theory, if you can disconnect your Steam account from your Beth account and still use the already downloaded paid mods then those files really don't contain DRM. It's no different then external DLC bought via GOG.com or Steam really.

If they do though, there is no reason Beth couldn't do this in a DRM free way if they wanted to release Skyrim with the store intact here just like with external DLC.

Depending on how microtransactions are implemented, they very well could work in a DRM Free environment. Now you can argue GOG should not sell games with microtransactions sure, but that is a different argument to be had.
I don't think horse armor is micro, it's dlc. You have to go to a store to get it and it's not in the game itself.
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Truth007: I don't think horse armor is micro, it's dlc. You have to go to a store to get it and it's not in the game itself.
It is DLC. It's also a microtransaction. I'll post the same thing I posted above.

https://www.usgamer.net/articles/the-history-of-gaming-microtransactions-from-horse-armor-to-loot-boxes
https://screenrant.com/oblivion-horse-armor-dlc-controversy-explained/
https://www.pcgamer.com/horse-armor-won/
This sounds like a shopping interface available in-game for MTX, impulse purchases, DLCs and converting trials to paid apps.
All platforms have these, except GOG and many games are impossible to bring here without it, so makes sense.
You won't have to use it, if you don't like it, but it will help bring more AAA games here a lot.
If this relates to microtransactions, I wouldn't be surprised (maybe it's been confirmed one way or the other) if CDPR is gonna add some of those to Cyberpunk2077, similar to GTAV and the billions it has made Take 2. Obviously CDPR doesn't want to lose too much goodwill that they've built up, but the GTAV route must be damn tempting.

If that does happen, as much wailing and gnashing of teeth might be deserved towards those who made those decisions, I still hope it at least means other AAA games showing up like Skyrim and FO4, assuming we still get our DRM-free single-player installers :P I don't care much about CP2077 personally.
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tfishell: If this relates to microtransactions, I wouldn't be surprised (maybe it's been confirmed one way or the other) if CDPR is gonna add some of those to Cyberpunk2077, similar to GTAV and the billions it has made Take 2. Obviously CDPR doesn't want to lose too much goodwill that they've built up, but the GTAV route must be damn tempting.

If that does happen, as much wailing and gnashing of teeth might be deserved towards those who made those decisions, I still hope it at least means other AAA games showing up like Skyrim and FO4, assuming we still get our DRM-free single-player installers :P I don't care much about CP2077 personally.
Or why not ditch the offline installers fully. I mean if we are going to ignore those who complain about microtransactions and what not, just go a bit further and ignoring those still asking for offline installers. It would make lots of AAA games available, bring in more customers, provide all the functionality of other platforms. Why bother pampering to the minority...
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tfishell: If this relates to microtransactions, I wouldn't be surprised (maybe it's been confirmed one way or the other) if CDPR is gonna add some of those to Cyberpunk2077, similar to GTAV and the billions it has made Take 2. Obviously CDPR doesn't want to lose too much goodwill that they've built up, but the GTAV route must be damn tempting.

If that does happen, as much wailing and gnashing of teeth might be deserved towards those who made those decisions, I still hope it at least means other AAA games showing up like Skyrim and FO4, assuming we still get our DRM-free single-player installers :P I don't care much about CP2077 personally.
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nightcraw1er.488: Or why not ditch the offline installers fully. I mean if we are going to ignore those who complain about microtransactions and what not, just go a bit further and ignoring those still asking for offline installers. It would make lots of AAA games available, bring in more customers, provide all the functionality of other platforms. Why bother pampering to the minority...
I don't know if you're posting passive-aggressively (or whatever the right term is) :P, but those are actually fair questions, depending on the size of the minority. But GOG dumping the DRM-free installers might be bad enough PR for them to avoid that - microtransactions are optional purchases, installers are a reason to buy here in the first place.
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tfishell: microtransactions are optional purchases...
Depends on the game. Many games with "pay2win / time-saver" style MT's also tend to have artificially increased levels of grind in their base gameplay (to 'encourage' you to purchase 'optional' time-saver MT's and punish those that don't). Quite honestly I'm rather glad those kinds of "games" aren't here...
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nightcraw1er.488: Or why not ditch the offline installers fully. I mean if we are going to ignore those who complain about microtransactions and what not, just go a bit further and ignoring those still asking for offline installers. It would make lots of AAA games available, bring in more customers, provide all the functionality of other platforms. Why bother pampering to the minority...
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tfishell: I don't know if you're posting passive-aggressively (or whatever the right term is) :P, but those are actually fair questions, depending on the size of the minority. But GOG dumping the DRM-free installers might be bad enough PR for them to avoid that - microtransactions are optional purchases, installers are a reason to buy here in the first place.
Sorry, I don't know these funky social media terms either. I was being quite serious. Essentially the majority of the customers now do not care about drm, or do not know what it means. Most use the client and probably don't even know the offline installers even exist. So yes, there would be a bit of negative publicity, but also those who use the offline installers are also likely to be those which don't use social media, hence don't have the vast publicity base, as per most "movements" nowadays anyway, so pretty irrelevant.
I would suspect that so long as the words "denuvo", "starforce", don't appear anywhere, they can still claim to be drm free too.
It will be interesting to see how things progress when cyberpunk is released.
In terms of microtransactions beiong optional, yes, but like with missing multiplayer, missing pre order dlc etc. you are getting less for your money than others. Take paradox, if you were only able to buy the full price main game, you would have brought a screen with a login to paradox servers. Without all the dlc you wouldn't have a game. So microtransactions could be something simple (and pointless) like reskins, but they could be some much more (weapon packs for dying light? mods in future?).
Thats my speculating done for the day!
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tfishell: microtransactions are optional purchases...
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AB2012: Depends on the game. Many games with "pay2win / time-saver" style MT's also tend to have artificially increased levels of grind in their base gameplay (to 'encourage' you to purchase 'optional' time-saver MT's and punish those that don't). Quite honestly I'm rather glad those kinds of "games" aren't here...
I can absolutely understand not wanting them here if someone has an addictive weakness for them, and I've heard about the scumbaggery of some. I have my own addictions to manage so I can understand that on some level.

I guess I'm coming from the view of - as sort of a "compromise" - , personally and basically I'd be okay or "meh" with these, if it meant we got DRM-free installers of the single-player portions of those games like the CoDs or other "AAA" games. Plus if microtransactions did bring in a lot of new revenue for GOG, that'd be nice only if it meant we didn't have to worry about GOG going under.

I'm not saying I want them here, more like I'm able to say "whatever" to them even if they do show up and appreciate big-name games showing up too. (Maybe b/c I've lost a "romantic" view of GOG as the savior of PC gaming or campfire jamboree friends, if you will? :p)
I wouldn't take too much stock in this sort of thing. Also recently, GOG was looking to hire an Agile Coach; as in the buzzword filled managerial style for the types who can't find their own bottoms with two hands.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200618083327/https://www.gog.com/work
And here's proof, thanks to our friends at web archive.
Post edited July 08, 2020 by Darvond
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Darvond: I wouldn't take too much stock in this sort of thing. Also recently, GOG was looking to hire an Agile Coach; as in the buzzword filled managerial style for the types who can't find their own bottoms with two hands.

And here's proof.
I am always trying to hire an agile coach as well, but it always leads to lawsuits.