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SargonAelther: What are you referring to exactly?
Can't always give you exact details, but, as a hint, I can say that the product id you've linked is indeed only a husk from an eon long past. I had forgotten it even existed, so it's not what I'm referring to. A door has opened elsewhere.

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SargonAelther: [...] but it never made it here due to the legal spat between Nacon and Frogwares.
I was totally unaware of that, but there is indication that the situation has changed rather recently. I guess time will tell.
Post edited December 25, 2023 by WinterSnowfall
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SargonAelther: What are you referring to exactly?
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WinterSnowfall: Can't always give you exact details, but, as a hint, I can say that the product id you've linked is indeed only a husk from an eon long past. I had forgotten it even existed, so it's not what I'm referring to. A door has opened elsewhere.
Ok fair enough.

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SargonAelther: [...] but it never made it here due to the legal spat between Nacon and Frogwares.
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WinterSnowfall: I was totally unaware of that, but there is indication that the situation has changed rather recently. I guess time will tell.
Yeah, they were accusing each other of breaching contractual obligations and piracy, and whatnot. They went to court over it. Something has indeed changed recently though, because the Frogwares-published DRM-Free version on GamesPlanet has been delisted recently (thankfully I managed to buy it in time), while the Nacon-published Steam version remains available for purchase. Soon after the GamesPlanet delisting, all accusations made by Frogwares have disappeared from their website and YouTube.

So without knowing whatever you found exactly, I assume the two possible outcomes are:
A) Nacon has won the court case and will be publishing the game to GOG now.
B) Frogwares has remastered the game, similar to what they did on PS5 and Xbox SX, and will be publishing it directly to Steam and GOG themselves.
Post edited December 25, 2023 by SargonAelther
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SargonAelther: So without knowing whatever you found exactly, I assume the two possible outcomes are:
A) Nacon has won the court case and will be publishing the game to GOG now.
B) Frogwares has remastered the game, similar to what they did on PS5 and Xbox SX, and will be publishing it directly to Steam and GOG themselves.
Because there is so little published about this case since early 2021...

... my guess is that Nacon settled "out of court" with Frogwares.

Court cases tend to be common record. Settlements are often confidential.

What was the settlement? Dunno... (hopefully Frogwares made some money)

... but multiple outlets (including PSN) recently ran extreme sales on The Sinking City...

... so...

... it does feel like something has happened, but dunno.

Will The Sinking City finally make it here? Hope so... but then there's Empire of Sin -- that I believe released around the same time -- that even without rights issues has never shown up here. *sigh*
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kai2: ... my guess is that Nacon settled "out of court" with Frogwares.
That is also a possibility, but we don't know what the terms of that settlement were. So far the conditions appear to be very pro-Nacon. We'll see who the publisher of the Sinking City is, if it actually comes to GOG.
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kai2: ... my guess is that Nacon settled "out of court" with Frogwares.
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SargonAelther: That is also a possibility, but we don't know what the terms of that settlement were. So far the conditions appear to be very pro-Nacon. We'll see who the publisher of the Sinking City is, if it actually comes to GOG.
Well, just guessing...

... Nacon paid off Frogwares to drop the suit...

... and Nacon will continue selling the game... but now with no restrictions.
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WinterSnowfall: Looks like it went back into hibernation as well, unfortunately. No updates since that small and sudden spike.
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angelblue: Thank. I hope with all my heart that GOG will eventually release it.
Given all the mods are locked to Steam Workshop, gog probably doesn't see the point in releasing it here only for it to be an inferior version out of the gate. I know I wouldn't bother grabbing it here.
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angelblue: Thank. I hope with all my heart that GOG will eventually release it.
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Lucian_Galca: Given all the mods are locked to Steam Workshop, gog probably doesn't see the point in releasing it here only for it to be an inferior version out of the gate. I know I wouldn't bother grabbing it here.
It's sad for the mods, but the game is very complete without them. I've played hundreds of hours of the game without ever installing a mod.
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angelblue: Thank. I hope with all my heart that GOG will eventually release it.
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Lucian_Galca: Given all the mods are locked to Steam Workshop, gog probably doesn't see the point in releasing it here only for it to be an inferior version out of the gate. I know I wouldn't bother grabbing it here.
Steam workshop is just a distribution method. How can anything be locked to it? Surely we can get those mods from Nexus and other sites?

Mods do not make or break a game either. It's not Roblox.
Post edited December 26, 2023 by SargonAelther
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Lucian_Galca: Given all the mods are locked to Steam Workshop, gog probably doesn't see the point in releasing it here only for it to be an inferior version out of the gate. I know I wouldn't bother grabbing it here.
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SargonAelther: Steam workshop is just a distribution method. How can anything be locked to it? Surely we can get those mods from Nexus and other sites?

Mods do not make or break a game either. It's not Roblox.
You can't easily download the mods if you don't have the game on Steam

And no, not every mod of map that is on Workshop is available anywhere else, I remember trying with Octodad
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SargonAelther: How can anything be locked to it?
More and more mod maker force you to subscribe to their mods through the steam client . Updates are only avaiable to subscribers .

my opinion : steam workshop is the cancer of modding
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I feel so tired: my opinion : steam workshop is the cancer of modding
Nope, that's Patreon... Profiting enough off of a large company with expensive lawyers will eventually provide the precedence to destroy that entire ecosystem, and the best of modding with it.
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I feel so tired: my opinion : steam workshop is the cancer of modding
Agree, but in defense of Steam I have to add that they only add a convenient way of uploading and downloading mods.

The real problem are devs actually integrating it into their products and modders who actually require you to own the game on Steam in order to be eligible to download the mod through the workshop. It IS possible to offer the mods to everyone and use a third party tool to download them, but if the mod requires you to own the game ... meh.
Every mod for Oblivion or Skyrim I was interested in who were available on Steam Workshop were available on other sources like Mods.io or nexus mods as well etc.

Anyways maybe people here prefers the nexus mods ways of things, if you want maximum speed you have to create a premium account.
On Steam, you have that account already created by default to download the mod under their tool. It is intended to users who already own the game from Steam.

And as it has been said before. It is the mod creators who are free to publish their creation and update it in every source they want. The ultimate resposibility for uploading or updating in every source will be from the modders' side.

The cancer of Modding are the modders themselves
Post edited December 27, 2023 by Gudadantza
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Gudadantza: And as it has been said before. It is the mod creators who are free to publish their creation and update it in every source they want. The ultimate resposibility for uploading or updating in every source will be from the modders' side.

The cancer of Modding are the modders themselves
But that's a moot point; it doesn't matter at all who is to blame for the Steam Workshop-exclusive mod plague that ruins many games.

Regardless of who is to blame, people who don't rent such games on Steam are becoming shafted with second-class citizen status, and a gimpy, inferior product.

Regardless of who is to blame, this problem still causes rented & DRM-filled Steam versions of games to become superior to non-rented DRM-free versions.

Blaming modders for being the cause of the problem, even if that is 100% true, still doesn't do anything to change those facts, and it still doesn't make non-Steam versions worth buying or playing, which they aren't.
Post edited December 27, 2023 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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neumi5694: Agree, but in defense of Steam I have to add that they only add a convenient way of uploading and downloading mods.

The real problem are devs actually integrating it into their products and modders who actually require you to own the game on Steam in order to be eligible to download the mod through the workshop. It IS possible to offer the mods to everyone and use a third party tool to download them, but if the mod requires you to own the game ... meh.
Yes (ie Solasta).