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Klumpen0815: That's nasty, reminds me of the "DRM free" Depth Hunter on IndieRoyale/Desura which you had to activate online every single time you want to play it, rendering it unplayable on my offline WinXP partition.
Let's not forget that also for GamersGate "DRM-free" meant that you'd need to validate your game online whenever you install it. To them "DRM-free" meant that no validation was needed after installation, ie. whenever you played the game. Using GamersGate's logic, Steam's offline mode is also "DRM-free" (as long as it works).

Luckily, GamersGate users found a way to circumvent the installation-time online validation, by copying the "temporary installer files" when you downloaded the game. Those temporary files where the real DRM-free version of the game installer.

Oh well, I'm happy that at least so far GOG seems to take the whole DRM-free aspect much more seriously than those other sites. To those others, it always seemed more like "DRM-free, kinda, whatever...". They couldn't care less, and now it shows.

I won't be surprised if Humble Bundle/Store will be next in line, they seem to have a similar "meh"-attitude. That reminds me, maybe I should make sure I've downloaded all my DRM-free HB installers.
Post edited February 23, 2015 by timppu
Booooooooooooooo.

Never bought anything there, but still... booooooooooooooo.

I hope Desura never pulls that one too, I have a small collection growing there. I've backup up everything worthwhile though, just in case.

PS: It's never quite enough to stress this: booooooooooooooo.
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Klumpen0815: That's nasty, reminds me of the "DRM free" Depth Hunter on IndieRoyale/Desura which you had to activate online every single time you want to play it, rendering it unplayable on my offline WinXP partition.

Well, that leaves us the DRM-free list on ShinyLoot at least, it seems the "DRM-lite" stamp isn't worth anything.
You should be fine for any game that lists "Offline One Time Key Validation", like Creeper World.
That is so revolting. I've never bought anything there but I'd be extremely pissed if they converted all my DRM-free copies into Steam Keys.
Did they even announce that? Or worse, is that even legal?
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Pardinuz: That is so revolting. I've never bought anything there but I'd be extremely pissed if they converted all my DRM-free copies into Steam Keys.
Did they even announce that? Or worse, is that even legal?
I guess this is at least debatable... somone with contacts to a game journalist?
Is
it even Gamersgate doing it, instead of them just getting the keys from the publishers?
Disciples 2 in my Gamersgate account is available both through download and steam key, but Sacred 2 used to be a download, but is now just a steam key due to the new version being steam downloadable-only.


Edit: Nevermind, can also download sacred 2 new version.
Post edited February 23, 2015 by Luisfius
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Luisfius: Is
it even Gamersgate doing it, instead of them just getting the keys from the publishers?
A GamersGate representative has said that they are bound by contract to enforce any changes that the developer/publisher demands.

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Luisfius: Sacred 2 used to be a download, but is now just a steam key due to the new version being steam downloadable-only.

Edit: Nevermind, can also download sacred 2 new version.
I have absolutely no Steam key for Sacred 2. In fact, I can see no mention of Steamworks anywhere in the game's page. Can you elaborate?
Post edited February 23, 2015 by Grargar
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Klumpen0815: So... is the "DRM-free revolution" over now and gets obliterated by Steam? :/
I really hope that GoG doesn't lose its last remaining core principle.
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CharlesGrey: If anything, GOG might profit from all this, since there's no viable alternatives for people who prefer DRM-free games.

Never really saw the appeal of 3rd party Steam code sellers, or retail games with Steam tied to them. If I wanted to use Steam I'd install Steam and buy directly from their service.
Buying elsewhere nets Valve much less money.
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realkman666: They were never DRM-free, you had to use their stupid launcher-downloader-installer.
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ShadowOwl: There's only one big store that allows downloads without the user being logged in and that the Humble Store.
I don't even mind logging in, I just don't want to use a program. Just give me a link or a torrent and I'm fine.
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Tannath: Booooooooooooooo.

Never bought anything there, but still... booooooooooooooo.

I hope Desura never pulls that one too, I have a small collection growing there. I've backup up everything worthwhile though, just in case.

PS: It's never quite enough to stress this: booooooooooooooo.
Are you saying booooo or Booo-urns?
Post edited February 23, 2015 by realkman666
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CharlesGrey: If anything, GOG might profit from all this, since there's no viable alternatives for people who prefer DRM-free games.

Never really saw the appeal of 3rd party Steam code sellers, or retail games with Steam tied to them. If I wanted to use Steam I'd install Steam and buy directly from their service.
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realkman666: Buying elsewhere nets Valve much less money.
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ShadowOwl: There's only one big store that allows downloads without the user being logged in and that the Humble Store.
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realkman666: I don't even mind logging in, I just don't want to use a program. Just give me a link or a torrent and I'm fine.
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Tannath: Booooooooooooooo.

Never bought anything there, but still... booooooooooooooo.

I hope Desura never pulls that one too, I have a small collection growing there. I've backup up everything worthwhile though, just in case.

PS: It's never quite enough to stress this: booooooooooooooo.
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realkman666: Are you saying booooo or Booo-urns?
Erm... booooo?
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timppu: maybe I should make sure I've downloaded all my DRM-free HB installers.
I've been meaning to do this, but there's so many. Something like lgogdownloader would be a big help, but if someone has made one I couldn't find it..
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timppu: maybe I should make sure I've downloaded all my DRM-free HB installers.
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Rixasha: I've been meaning to do this, but there's so many. Something like lgogdownloader would be a big help, but if someone has made one I couldn't find it..
You have an option for torrent links in the HB pages, or direct download links. I think both should work fine, torrent links are more secure as the torrent client checks for file integrity, pause/resume support etc.

For HB's Android binaries though, I've found the torrent links sometimes work pretty poorly and slowly. For some of the games, there seems to be only one seeder available, which isn't that fast either. So in the end I ended up downloading all my Android .apk files with direct download links (http) instead. Not sure if the PC game downloads on HB suffer from the same lack of seeders as many of their Android games.

I guess they are expecting most people download the Android games with the HB Android client, but since I have several Android devices where I possibly want to use them, I rather download them first on my PC so that I don't need to download them several times. Especially since the HB Android client will download only to the main SD memory of the device, so it will run out of space quite fast.
Post edited February 23, 2015 by timppu
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mwb1100: This is probably a stupid question, but can you tell by looking at the GG account page if a game is DRM'ed or not?
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realkman666: Yes, there is an entry for that.
OK - I see now that there's a "Details" heading I have to click on to see the DRM info.

Thanks.
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Luisfius: Is
it even Gamersgate doing it, instead of them just getting the keys from the publishers?
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Grargar: A GamersGate representative has said that they are bound by contract to enforce any changes that the developer/publisher demands.

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Luisfius: Sacred 2 used to be a download, but is now just a steam key due to the new version being steam downloadable-only.

Edit: Nevermind, can also download sacred 2 new version.
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Grargar: I have absolutely no Steam key for Sacred 2. In fact, I can see no mention of Steamworks anywhere in the game's page. Can you elaborate?
I had bought Sacred 2 Gold when it was the old version. When Deep Silver acquired it, Gamersgate added a new version that had both DRM-free download AND a steam key. I remember getting a steam key with it.

Huh, weird. Now it only has the download. That is very weird. I remember seeing my steam key yesterday on the gamersgate downloads page.
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Rixasha: I've been meaning to do this, but there's so many. Something like lgogdownloader would be a big help, but if someone has made one I couldn't find it..
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timppu: You have an option for torrent links in the HB pages, or direct download links. I think both should work fine, torrent links are more secure as the torrent client checks for file integrity, pause/resume support etc.

For HB's Android binaries though, I've found the torrent links sometimes work pretty poorly and slowly. For some of the games, there seems to be only one seeder available, which isn't that fast either. So in the end I ended up downloading all my Android .apk files with direct download links (http) instead. Not sure if the PC game downloads on HB suffer from the same lack of seeders as many of their Android games.

I guess they are expecting most people download the Android games with the HB Android client, but since I have several Android devices where I possibly want to use them, I rather download them first on my PC so that I don't need to download them several times. Especially since the HB Android client will download only to the main SD memory of the device, so it will run out of space quite fast.
I've had the same problem with HB torrents. I've ended up using a download manager to grab the files. Best of both worlds imo.
God damn?!? I relatively recently registered there... I am happy as a little girl that i bought NOTHING at all!!! And this isn't going to change. Now time for a profile deletion (if it has the option for it)...