I don't usually change without pressure(irl and online) and encouragement so doing so at the game's start would make no sense.

Also i've done/said some weird stuff before while also town when suspected....this is not much different.

You're making it sound as if my opinion on Lift became diametrically different after that one post.

His top position on my list was a bit weak as I said myself. It's not like I moved from "Lift is definitely scum!" to "Lift is probably Town". I had him as "maybe scum for weak reasons" into "still willing to lynch but would rather lynch Pooka".

And it was also because of his previous post where he wrote that I could be biased against him. I thought about it, reread some posts and decided that yes there could be some bias there.

I still think Pooka's initial reaction comes off as more overzealous Town than anything else. That said, I am a little baffled that the case seems to entirely involved a post talking about karma and lucky dice as providing or not providing a level of shade. I don't get how one turns a post like that into a case on Dedo for anything because who would be foolish enough to follow along...

That said, I don't understand what the case for Lift really is. While I like the idea that seems to be behind Joe's ploy, I didn't like his attitude that even though 2 of the early votes (his own and GameRager's) were based on nothing, he was just going to stick to it. If the point was to see who is willing to join an early bandwagon, we found out.

My preferences:
GameRager - who is still anti-Town. Caveat that he plays this way all the time and is now seeming to adapt.
Joe - who just strikes me as off for the above reason. If he was really scum hunting, there seems to be something to be learned from his unexplained lunacy, yet the fact he was resigned to just rolling with it implies to be he wasn't scum hunting as much as I gave him credit for.

As to the pertinent wagons:
Lift - I'm not sure I see the real case here. I'm not sure anyone has really explained one. I mean I get the "Lift is using opportunity to provide shade", but over that? I guess I don't see how any scum would even thing about turning that into a lynch so I question that's his real motive. I can't recall in any of the numerous games I've played with him any time he has ever turned something that dumb from RVS into a case for lynching either. It doesn't mean Lift isn't scum who somehow got caught up in something silly, but that's hardly a great case for his lynch.

Pooka - He sure seems to be trying. I don't think it's a good idea to expose oneself that way so early as scum. But he sure has gotten fixated. The closest I can come to a scum motivation for this is to go for the gusto and try to take out one of the strongest Town players Day 1. No offense to the rest of you, but Lift is a very strong player. Obviously making him a threat if he rolls scum but also a major asset to Town when he's Town. That said, does making such a move so early make that much sense?

If it comes down to the deadline, I'll vote to make a lynch because we need feedback. But I'm not so encouraged by it.

I know people use the excuse, we will learn more from X lynch vs Y lynch, but the truth is if someone flips Town, we don't learn very much regardless. I'd say there is a very good chance what we have here is Town v Town and the real scum might be sitting back, adding a little commentary, but are looking forward to Day 2 when they lynch the other Townie.

To me, the point is always to lynch the most likely to actually be scum, not lynch Townies because they somehow might provide more information. If Pooka is just overactive Town and Lift is Town caught up in it, we don't learn as much as we think we might.

@RW, what are you making of Pooka's reluctance to make a claim? Same question to everyone who is around.

I think Pooka leans a bit more town as scum would likely claim vanilla town by now to avoid a lynch....still, we must lynch someone and I don't know who else to pick/deadline is fast approaching.

I still don't like the options we have now. Frankly, I don't think Pooka should claim. Either we're going to lynch him, in which case his claim doesn't matter, or he lives and gets NK'd, in which case we don't get the benefit anyway. The PR he has (or may not have) isn't important right now, and that information only helps scum. But if we don't lynch Pooka and he doesn't claim, scum has no idea what there aiming at and town finds out Pooka's PR the next day.

We have roughly 3 to 7 hours to go. I'll be dropping a vote if I have to before that. Because of forum time rounding we will need to lynch a little ahead of that to be certain.

On one hand, if he's Town maybe he knows his role won't save him. On the other, if he's scum, maybe he's biding his time hoping not to take a tactical risk with a false claim. In a vacuum, that piece of data leans slightly scummy, but I don't want to rule out self-preservation. It's not telling enough to change my overall view but does help a little if it comes to deadline and I have to vote him.

If Pooka has a PR and that's why they're not claiming they could've went vanilla town as a claim....also dude why bring such up? Now if Pooka is a town PR you've essentially put homing beacons/laser sights on who scum should target.

Is this for real?

Is any of this for real?

In all seriousness, though, I stand by it so yes it is a real post by me/my actual opinion.

Come to think of it...

If I claim I'm a vanilla town despite being cop, but then on a later day say "hey guys, sorry about lying to you earlier but I'm a cop and here's my findings," would you believe me?

First of all, lying as Town is rarely a good idea (some might say it's ALWAYS bad but it does have it's place and merits). Lying as Town in this exact way in under the immediate threat of getting lynched is probably the dumbest possible thing a Townie can do. If the choice is between doing that and shutting up about your odds are better doing the latter.


Do you honestly believe RFG gave it away to scums and put homing beacons/laser sights on whom scum should target (supposedly Pooka in this particular case)? For real?

And to extend on that last bit, you seem to be back on having Pooka leaning Town because of his reluctance to claim. You are concerned Town Pooka is also a PR on which RFG spilled the beans. And you are still voting him? Don't tell me if we lynch him and he flips Town you'll say "I did think he was Town and didn't really want to lynch him but was absolutely forced to in order to avoid no-lynch" Tomorrow.


Is it too late to consider another wagon?

*Sigh*

Unvote Pooka
Vote GameRager

Sorry, but (a) GR started behaving suspiciously again, and (b) even if he's Town if we don't lynch his now, he's going to be Topic Of The Day tomorrow and we waste another day.

I thought I can get past that but I honestly can't. I'd rather get back to Pooka later.

vote GR

I am subscribing to the thought that maybe lynching GR is better after all. His play gets even stranger by the minute. Not to do a ZFR, but as he said, we can always come back to Lift tomorrow.
Unvote Lifthrasil

For now, I think GR has a better likelihood of flipping scum.
Vote GameRager