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Who knows. Tons of Capcom games ain't hit GOG. [shrug]

Also, Steam-versions sell well and have DRM-allowed over there. So, if it ever comes to GOG - their best bet for THEM would to port it would be to do Steam-version w/ all DLC's, expansions, patches, etc.

Then when done w/ Steam-version, they could port it to GOG w/ any sort of GOG Galaxy support they want to add (Achievements, Cloud Saves, etc) - this way it's all patched-up and Complete on GOG when it's dropped here - which likely could get double-dippers to buy it on GOG just to make sure they got it DRM-FREE and so it works offline (hopefully).

Both Dead Space 2 and Dragon Age 2 require Origin. On Steam, those ones need EA Play. They'd have to re-work both of them to hit GOG. In DA2's case, they'd likely pull out all of that BioWare Server connection-stfuff/activation stuff from DA2,especially for the DLC activation/checks and all of that stuff.

Crysis 2 on Origin requires EA Play on Steam; and Crysis 3 flat-out requires Origin period. So, again - another game that would need to rid of all of that EA Junk for servers, client-app requirements, etc; and be re-worked to work offline for it to end up on GOG.

I'll never say never, but the chances are extremely low. Basically, if you're only willing to play it if it comes to GOG, then consider it a game you'll never play. Same deal for most games, especially ones from major studios.

As for the patch GOG is missing, it's just a fix for a couple small bug fixes, and there's a mod on Nexus Mods to make the GOG version equal to Steam. Even without that, the game is totally fine right now, and if you want to buy it on GOG, then feel comfortable doing so.

The Tomb Raider deal is strange, because when Tomb Raider (2013), Tomb Raider: Legend, Tomb Raider: Anniversary, and Tomb Raider: Underworld came, there was hints at more coming, but they never showed later on.

I mean, this Summer sale would have been a great time to release a possible Rise of the Tomb Raider and Shadow of the Tomb Raider. Maybe this years Winter sale.

But with Square Enix selling Crystal Dynamics, Eido-Montreal, Square Enix Montreal and numerous IP like Tomb Raider, Deus Ex and so on, the future of those games coming here might not be happening at all now. Even before they were never a guarantee to show up here.

As for the Sony Playstation games coming, well, I just don't see that happening. I mean, Days Gone should have already released here if it was going to come, based on Horizon Zero Dawn.

I think the reason why we'll never see Days Gone, God of War, Spider Man Remastered and so on is a two part issue. One, I think the sales on GOG were bad compared to other platforms. Two, I think CD Projekt burned bridges with Sony with the whole Cyberpunk disaster on Playstation. CD Projekt screwed up big time, and there's nothing else you can say about that.

Now, money does change things, so I think if GOG sales were a significant portion of the PC sales for Horizon then the other games would be here, but alas they are not. CD Projekt absolutely needs the Sony Playstation audience, but Sony doesn't need the GOG audience on PC. Simple as that.

One can hope but modern games are getting DRM up the wazoo now. RDR2 would be nice to have but you need the Rockstar launcher and Im sure the RDRemake will also require the same (not that we ever got anything from Rockstar but one can dream). But I agree its not looking up.

Maybe they were disincentivized after Epic gave away all 3 games on Epic for free. I do think a DRM-free version would be nice though, especially since Shadow is not DRM-free. Square Enix did sell to the Embracer Group which manages THQ Nordic who does publish games on GOG (the Darksiders series) but apparently they arnt really supportive of GOG.

Would be nice to see the other two Tomb Raiders of the survivor trilogy on GOG but we have to see what they do I guess.

If Rise of the Tomb Raider is DRM-free, then so should be Shadow. Both games had Denuvo removed back in October / November, which people thought was in preperation for a possible GOG release. Which, of course, never happened. If the games still use the totally optional DRM wrapper within Steamworks then that's easily removed and you could with little effort make your own DRM-free installers.

And, yea, you might be right on that. All three games were given away for free on Epic. Square Enix themselves gave away Tomb Raider 2013 for free on their own at one point. So there could be a feeling of "why bother" with a GOG release after the Epic giveaway. I mean, the games are all fairly old at this point, been given away for free, and are effectively DRM-free already.

But yea, it will be interesting to see what they do with the games. I hope they come for the people who want them here, but I won't be buying them. Already have them on Steam and while I did buy the recent batch of Square Enix titles that released here I just won't do that ever again, because it's a waste of money when the Steam versions are just as good to me.

We only recently got Just Cause 1 and 2 here so its kinda expected 3 and 4 hasn't popped yet
Fallout 4 is a given to not pop here yet till the creation club is axed given how that service works Psychonauts 2 also is on here proof here https://www.gog.com/en/game/psychonauts_2

Are you suggesting GOG, or Square Enix (and now Embracer), were disincentivized ?

Alien Isolation was given away on EGS in late April 2021, and it showed up here about 14 months later. Perhaps GOG is just waiting for a period of time to pass before releasing the two Tomb Raider games (assuming Embracer will allow it). I do think the two missing TR Survivor trilogy games would sell better than many other new releases here, despite already having been given away; Alien Isolation stayed in the top 10 bestselling for at least a few days, if not a full week.

I wish there was more of a pattern of EGS freebies showing up here like 1-1.5 years later, such as Subnautica, Super Meat Boy, and Axiom Verge being given away in early 2019. But it is what it is, out of our control.

Wait. TR 2013, Rise of the TR, and Shadow of the TR - didn't they also come w/ EOS (Epic Online Servers) in the updates on Epic and Steam?

IIRC, that was a big to-do when it happened; especially when EOS got rolled onto Steam-versions of those 3 games.

If you can say get around that junk on Epic and Steam (i.e. just bypass it or disable it) - well, that's good.

TR 2013 is already here on GOG, so...I'd guess it never got the EOS Update? [shrug]

Also, if Rise of the TR and Shadow still have EOS - even if it's optional or not - that's gonna have to get pulled and/or disabled when it comes to GOG. GOG doesn't allow DRM and junk of that sort.

I should check myself sometime on the Epic versions - but that includes a HUGE download of all 3 those games again from Epic, which I already got on Steam.

EDIT:
Okay, yeah; they did make fix TR 2013 Steam-version to make it optional to use EOS and made the game work offline on Steam at least -> https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/203160?updates=true&emclan=103582791433976204&emgid=3147448646476822645

Same w/ Steam-version of Rise of the TR also - https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/391220?updates=true
And also Shadow on Steam - https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/750920?updates=true&emclan=103582791461863306&emgid=4453495168680592608

So, yeah...if Rise and Shadow came to GOG would need that optional EOS stuff bypassed, disabled, and/or removed.

Also, I should check on TR 2013, Rise, and Shadow from Epic sometime myself.

Yes, all three Tomb Raider games use Epic Online Services for their multiplayer infrastructure. The GOG version of Tomb Raider 2013 just had all multiplayer components removed from the game.

Using Epic Online Services isn't really a DRM, because it's optional as is the linking to an Epic Games account, and it has no impact on the single player component. The real DRM was removed when all those updates happened.

I wouldn't be so sure that these games having EOS would automatically disqualify them from being on GOG until it's removed. GOG's own definition of DRM-free changes over time, and many here (which I don't agree with) would say that GOG isn't even a DRM-free store anymore.

I'll post the quoted community post by GOG here. I'd rather just post the direct link, but the babies who can't handle opinions other than their own like to manipulate and abuse the reputation system here, so every post I make gets downvoted.

The article is about GOG's commitment to DRM-free gaming, and what that means to them.

"GOG was built on trust, which is at the very core of our identity. It is evidenced by our 30-day refund policy or releasing games DRM-free, among other things. At the same time, we understand DRM-free might mean different things to different people, especially when modern games blend offline and online experiences.

When GOG first launched, the gaming market looked very different from what it is now – retail was the main place to buy games, and digital distribution was just taking baby steps. DRM, the copy protection software created to protect licenses against unauthorized disc copying, was a huge source of annoyance for gamers often restricting how they can access their content. From the beginning, part of GOG’s mission was to provide gamers with a simple way to access and play games, without the need to fiddle with files or deal with any DRM. Making sure you can play games purchased on GOG offline, make backup copies, and install them as many times as you need is even more relevant now, as things like game preservation become an important topic for the whole industry.

Today, while some of the most infamous DRMs of the past are thankfully long gone, it doesn’t mean the constraints are fully gone. They just have a different, more complex face.

Games are evolving and many titles offer features beyond single-player offline gameplay, like multiplayer, achievements, vanities, rewards. Many such games are already on GOG and will continue to join our catalog. But it also raises the question: is this a new frontier for DRM?

And this is the crux of the matter. Some think it is, some don’t. Some hate it, some don’t mind it. And to be fair, we didn’t comment on it ourselves for quite some time and feel this is the time to do so:

We believe you should have freedom of choice and the right to decide how you use, enjoy, and keep the games you bought. It manifests in three points:

1. The single-player mode has to be accessible offline.

2. Games you bought and downloaded can never be taken from you or altered against your will.

3. The GOG GALAXY client is and will remain optional for accessing single-player offline mode.

We fully commit to all those points. Aside from this, we reaffirm our continuous effort to make games compatible with future OSs and available for you for years to come.

As for multiplayer, achievements, and all that jazz – games with those features belong on GOG. Having said that, we believe that you have the right to make an informed choice about the content that you choose to enjoy and we won’t tell you how and where you can access or store your games. To make it easier to discover titles that include features like multiplayer, unlockable cosmetics, timed events, or user-generated content, we’re adding information about such functionalities on product pages. In short, you’ll always know.

We always took a lot of pride in the freedom we provide gamers. While we know DRM-free may have a different meaning to everyone, we believe you have the right to decide how you use, enjoy, and keep the titles you get on GOG. With games evolving towards adding more online features, we want you to understand our DRM-free approach and what it means to us. It is an important topic – let us know what you think."

So basically, multiplayer functionality, services needed to run that, cosmetics and other content gated by multiplayer or online connection is not considered DRM by GOG. Their own game Cyberpunk has online gated content, or as some here would say is "DRM'd".

As long as single player modes are accessible offline, even if some of that content is gated by online restrictions, it's still fine in GOG's eyes. So I would suspect based on that, that the Rise and Shadow of the Tomb Raider could come onto GOG as is, even with Epic Online Services being the multiplayer infrastructure for those games.

If you really think about it and take their words to heart, then you kind of see that Steam and GOG aren't all that different. Steam has more DRM-free games then GOG does, just because of sheer number of titles on Steam, and the fact that if something is on GOG it's basically guaranteed to be DRM-free on Steam. Steam just doesn't advertise such games as DRM-free, nor do they provide the offline installers like GOG does, which are highly inefficient and have Galaxy baked into them.

The Steam client itself is not a DRM, much like Galaxy itself is not a DRM or the GOG website. Users create an account to buy software that is then delivered to them through Steam, GOG Galaxy or the GOG website. They're all storefronts that deliver content to purchasers.

The totally optional DRM within Steam is the Steam Wrapper and it's part of Steamworks. Using anything within Steamworks is totally optional. The Wrapper is basically tissue paper on it's own, and the only effectiveness it has is when used in combination with an Anti-Tamper like Denuvo. Valve encourages enhancing the value of legitimate copies by using Steamworks features which won't work on pirated versions. So things like online multiplayer, achievements, leaderboards, trading cards, etc.