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Breja: The ones that made a game I want to buy and are selling it DRM-free for a fair price. As I said recently in another thread - that's all there is to it. I am not going to buy a game for the developers "philosphy" or their "behaviour" or any other nonsense to pat them on the back. It's just as silly as getting angry over nonsense on twitter and makes game devs hostages of ideological tug of war, where online arguments over their "behaviour" overshadow the actual games.
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babark: So if a developer used castrated slave labour to make incredible games, would you still buy them happily?
Or taking an example on the customer side of things for the people who can only think of themselves: If the developer only released updates as full price new games (but the games themselves were incredible), would you still buy them happily?

Extreme examples, sure, but I'm just pointing out that developer philosophy and behaviour is important.
Now you're asking an entirely different question.

There is a difference between asking about "developers worthy of support" and "devs you should't buy from because they commit criminal and/or immoral acts". I said I I'm not going to buy games to reward "good behaviour" or sharing my world view. If a dev is guilty of something I find truly reprehensible I'll likely not feel like playing their game. But I don't feel like I need to reward someone with my money for not being an asshole. On the whole I'm rather tired of today's internet judgemental, and yet highly hypocritical and easily manipulated, mentality and the need to "support" chosen people who are simply doing a job, selling a product and making money.
Post edited September 14, 2020 by Breja
I'm happy to support the vast majority of Indie developers I've played the games of.
It's just too many to mention.

However I mainly just support them by buying their games. If I really like the games the dev has made before, I might pre-order their next game or support them at Kickstarter. Similarly with DLCs, which is another way to support a dev.

I don't know what other support is appropriate.I don't really hang-out at game/publisher-specific forums.

I don't subscribe to the "most developers are evil" mantra. To me that is an ideology chiefly imposed by certain media channels to drive their highbrow journalistic ambitions and political agendas. I'm probably more suspicious and skeptical of modern games journalism than any developer or publisher. If a modern games' journalist says "this developer did X" I'm more likely to question the journalist's source or research. That's just me.

It's hard to judge the validity of most claims as a simple observer. Lots of younger people today only talk about what the company owes them, and forget about what their job obligations are. The games' media will publish anything, even just rumors, if attracts enough clicks.

Edit: I don't go out and do research on each developer, but if someone brings something to my attention, it might affect my purchase decision if I think the news bothered me, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. What bothers some people might not bother me.
Post edited September 14, 2020 by blueGretsch
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Breja: There is a difference between asking about "developers worthy of support" and "devs you should't buy from because they commit criminal and/or immoral acts". I said I I'm not going to buy games to reward "good behaviour" or sharing my world view. If a dev is guilty of something I find truly reprehensible I'll likely not feel like playing their game. But I don't feel like I need to reward someone with my money for not being an asshole. On the whole I'm rather tired of today's internet judgemental, and yet highly hypocritical and easily manipulated, mentality and the need to "support" chosen people who are simply doing a job, selling a product and making money.
You don't think there's an absolute opposite end of the spectrum to "devs you should't buy from because they commit criminal and/or immoral acts"? Devs that consistently do good stuff, with their customers and employees kept in mind?

So you'd want to punish bad behaviour, but not feel the need to reward good behaviour?


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blueGretsch: However I mainly just support them by buying their games. If I really like the games the dev has made before, I might pre-order their next game or support them at Kickstarter. Similarly with DLCs, which is another way to support a dev.
That exactly the sort of support I'm talking about. That is what I meant. I mean, sure, there would also be "support" in the sense of a thread like this, that seeks to highlight developers that don't participate in shady tactics, but I primarily meant buying.

I'm not well-placed enough to opine on whether a few or some or most developers are evil. All I can do is note when they participate in shady tactics towards customers (predatory monetisation, excessive DLC, reliance on customer modding to fix issues and then trying to profit off their work) or towards their own employees (excessive crunch, constantly laying them off to get massive bonuses for management, fostering environments of sexual abuse, leaving their names out of the credits, etc), and if I see it as a consistent attitude, I'd probably try to focus my buying power on someone less like that.
Post edited September 14, 2020 by babark
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babark: You don't think there's an absolute opposite end of the spectrum to "devs you should't buy from because they commit criminal and/or immoral acts"? Devs that consistently do good stuff, with their customers and employees kept in mind?
You mean like I said in the first post "The ones that made a game I want to buy and are selling it DRM-free for a fair price."? Or devs that I will buy any game from even if I don't really want it just to throw money at them because they're just so darn great guys? Because the first I don't consider "supporting a developer" but just a normal purchase of a product, and the latter is a firm "no" for me. I'd much rather give that money to an actual charity.

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babark: So you'd want to punish bad behaviour, but not feel the need to reward good behaviour?
I want to buy games I find interesting offered to me in a fair transaction, not pass moral judgement and reward or punish anyone. You're the one who decided to bring into this an absurdly hyperbolic morally reprehensible situation basically forcing me to say "well no, I wouldn't be ok with that". I guess I fell into your trap by even responding to that :P
Post edited September 14, 2020 by Breja
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babark: Thanks for the suggestions, added them. Can you tell why you feel they're worthy of support?
The magic word is patches . =)
Iron tower studios, because I find their ideas about rpgs interesting. Wouldn't donate anything to them though, since I'm poor, but will probably buy their next game at full price.
And I don't really care if developers keep "slaves" tbh, only interested in the quality of the game and how they treat me as customer.
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Breja: The ones that made a game I want to buy and are selling it DRM-free for a fair price. As I said recently in another thread - that's all there is to it. I am not going to buy a game for the developers "philosphy" or their "behaviour" or any other nonsense to pat them on the back. It's just as silly as getting angry over nonsense on twitter and makes game devs hostages of ideological tug of war, where online arguments over their "behaviour" overshadow the actual games.
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babark: So if a developer used castrated slave labour to make incredible games, would you still buy them happily?
Or taking an example on the customer side of things for the people who can only think of themselves: If the developer only released updates as full price new games (but the games themselves were incredible), would you still buy them happily?

Extreme examples, sure, but I'm just pointing out that developer philosophy and behaviour is important.
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i_hope_you_rot: PixelCount Studios ( Kynseed )
Maverick Games ( Stellar Tactics )
AtomTeam ( ATOM RPG and ATOM RPG: Trudograd )
Low Magic Studios ( Low Magic Age )
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babark: Thanks for the suggestions, added them. Can you tell why you feel they're worthy of support?
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Orkhepaj: Just buy their games play em out and tell others what you like about them, maybe buy some for your friends. That's all all other support is bs and just degrades the future quality.

I don't get this "employees are not treated well" slogan , they are all adults and can decide if they want to work there or not.
Let them decide if they want to continue working there or not.
Looks like if they are still working there then the benefits outweigh the negatives.

Btw anyone supports other kind of product makers? Oh this lamp is so good lets support the makers?
Just buy the good products.
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babark: I guess you live in some magical utopia where jobs are freely available to anyone who wants to work, workers have balanced bargaining positions to get fair treatment, and the industry isn't an incestuous pit where you can be backstabbed once for speaking your mind and never get a meaningful job again.

And yes, I absolutely support other products like that. I shop at my local market whenever I can rather than the supermarket megachain. I get bread and pastries from a bakery that hires and trains orphans, and donates profits to help support them. I favour restaurants and eateries that emphasise environmentally friendly processes.

I thought that with all the number times I've seen "X company is not getting my money ever again" on this forum, I'd see more suggestions.
Dying light is a cracking game. The devs released it here, kept on adding content free and paid, tbh a lot of the content really doesn’t add much. So am looking forward to the second one, of course there is plenty of time for them to FCK it up royally.
I don't think any devs' are particularly worthy of "support", they are private enterprises not fanclubs, if they produce a product I like then I'll buy it, nothing more. Becoming a "fan" of a company is not a good idea, one day you'll end up like one of those maniacs on internet who consider themselves to be "Team Sony" or "Team Nintendo" or whatever.
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Crosmando: I don't think any devs' are particularly worthy of "support", they are private enterprises not fanclubs, if they produce a product I like then I'll buy it, nothing more. Becoming a "fan" of a company is not a good idea, one day you'll end up like one of those maniacs on internet who consider themselves to be "Team Sony" or "Team Nintendo" or whatever.
I think the individuals who made good games should be supported. Not their current employers or previous employers.