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General discussionDenuvo is now completley removed from every PC versions of video games by SKIDROW(63 posts)(63 posts)
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Posted March 04, 2017
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XyleDaylight: That's a really good attitude to have about it that I feel I share but many people don't seem to get if you criticise DRM For example all the DRM apologists on the steam forums, mainly in denuvo related threads for new games.
It's really just another case of the human condition IMHO.

- Everyone wants to be respected and treated as a unique individual with a unique set of needs, preferences and opinions.

- Some people out of the above group hear that someone else has a different need, preference, or opinion and can't understand why they could possibly think that way, or why they would ever want or think differently than they do.

People can not want to both be an individual with unique perspectives and then be surprised or expect everyone else to have the same perspective. If person's B, C, D, E, etc. all shared the same views and opinions as person A did who wants to be a unique individual, then person A might be happy that everyone thinks the same way as he does, however he'd no longer be an individual with unique needs or viewpoints. Everyone would be the same.

Problem is it is impossible to both be a unique individual for one's own sake, and simultaneously have everyone else be exactly the same. It's an unresolvable and irrational paradox, until person A recognizes that for themselves to be considered unique and individual is dependent on everyone else being unique and individual as well.

[humour] The paradox of that, is that once everyone is unique and individual, they're all the same in that they're all unique and individual.
Posted March 05, 2017
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There are certain people in this discussion who I remember being sooo offended in the past when I called them "pro-DRM"...

...yet, here they are, singing praises for DRM and clearly promoting its use in games "because the userbase can't be trusted". :D


Anyway, good to know that a crack group has been able to salvage some more games so that future generations can possibly see and play them too, long after the store/DRM-system provider/publisher has gone belly up. After all, most of the old classics on GOG.com have also been cracked at some point of time in the past, otherwise GOG couldn't have ever accessed many of them, and made an offer to the legal IP rights holders to re-release the cracked version on the store.

I was worried for awhile when that some Chinese group claimed Denuvo is virtually uncrackable, but fortunately they were apparently mistaken.

Yes to crackers, no to piracy!
Post edited March 05, 2017 by timppu
Posted March 05, 2017
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timppu: There are certain people in this discussion who I remember being sooo offended in the past when I called them "pro-DRM"...
That certainly wasn't me then :)
Posted March 05, 2017
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timppu: ....
Anyway, good to know that a crack group has been able to salvage some more games so that future generations can possibly see and play them too, long after the store/DRM-system provider/publisher has gone belly up. After all, most of the old classics on GOG.com have also been cracked at some point of time in the past, otherwise GOG couldn't have ever accessed many of them, and made an offer to the legal IP rights holders to re-release the cracked version on the store.
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Yes to crackers, no to piracy!
So much this! ^^^
Posted March 05, 2017
In case anyone is interested, Skidrow's leader talks about cracking Denuvo:
https://goo.gl/BG1iNU
Posted March 07, 2017
The creators of Denuvo have released a press announcement on the issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4v8a_2_c4U
Posted March 07, 2017
I can't find it in my heart to feel bad for Denuvo. Just wish it died earlier.
Posted March 08, 2017
Nier Automata confirmed to have denuvo on steam.
Posted March 08, 2017

Honestly, is there a significant amount of piracy these days? Isn't it much more of a hassle than simply just logging on Steam or GOG and buying a game for a couple of bucks
clearly someone is missing the point here, assuming that everyone who resort on pirated games are people who just never want to buy anything legit

10 years ago, before gog, i remember i would have to search for cracks of every physical games i just bought because at that time it was the worst implementation of starforce or securom which were the norm
that's right, i bought games legit, THEN i had to resort on piracy to play them
i would have been happy to find a store that would sell me CLEAN legit copies devoid of such shit

and it's same now: i was tricked once buying a denuvo protected game, only heard about deneuvo after the purchase, went to get some info about what it was (was completely cluelesss)
-> never installed the game, never played the game, had to remove a handful of games that appealed me from my "to buy" list, because i'm not this quoted person's everything4free user he claims, i do buy games, even often day one and/or outside sales, and NOT on shady stores on top of that but official sellers

and i would GLADLY give my bucks to devs through GOG or other decent drm-free store, would they ever bother providing their games out there, which is not the case

so, as 10years ago, a X360 (or PS3 depending on your taste) could be a rather weak "plan B" against such crap on my computer, i had to resort putting money on a new/actual gen console to keep playing some games. that's right Devs and publishers ! this money, which will not go to you but to the console manufacturor, also each of your games i would buy will have significant share of the price NOT going to you but again same console manufacturor to whom you have to give up some royalties fee charges to be on their platform
all this money that could have go to YOU devs and publishers, if only you were to consider having a deal with GOG

gee, i was already angry today for other reasons, and now it added up to the crappile
Posted March 09, 2017
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Djaron: clearly someone is missing the point here, assuming that everyone who resort on pirated games are people who just never want to buy anything legit

10 years ago, before gog, i remember i would have to search for cracks of every physical games i just bought because at that time it was the worst implementation of starforce or securom which were the norm
that's right, i bought games legit, THEN i had to resort on piracy to play them
i would have been happy to find a store that would sell me CLEAN legit copies devoid of such shit
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I've had this same experience after purchasing a large number of Ubisoft titles years ago to be told by the game upon launch that I had to insert the official DVD to be able to play, and then refusing to start because the DRM on the game considered the official DVD to be an illegal copy when it was in fact a bona fide store purchased copy of the game.

Researching online I discovered that this was due to the DRM testing to see if you had the real DVD by doing some performance tests and expecting certain data to be read from the disk in a specific range of time and if the timing wasn't precise, it considered your copy to be non-authentic and required you to either purchase a different brand of DVD drive that had the timing characteristics that the software expected, or the "workaround" was to go in your hardware settings and disable DMA on the drive.

So, the copy protection on the game I just paid for required me to disable a hardware and OS feature that improves performance of my hardware greatly in order to validate the copy protection while ensuring that all access to my DVD drive for all other software would be punished by terrible performance loss. The only workaround for that would be manually turning DMA off before launching Ubisoft games and turning it back on for other software, having to dive deep into the control panel every single time.

That is how they treated their paying customers. The only solution that was viable was to go to gamecopyworld.com and get a NOCD crack to the game I fucking paid for. I was so pissed. The straw that broke the camels back though was having their multiplayer service tell my my CD key was invalid, as well as for several of my friends also - all of whom bought legitimate non-cheap copies of the same games. We were unable to play multi-player online because of this and had to set up a Hamachi tunnel to play the games in question using LAN mode that did not validate the CD key in order to play with great inconvenience.

So I more or less had to play both single and multi-player Ubisoft games doing the exact same steps a pirate would have to do to play the game, even though I paid for it. So, why pay for it then really? I stopped buying Ubisoft games in 2006 through present, and will never buy anything on their Uplay service ever.

I had similar experiences with EA. I will only ever buy Ubisoft or EA games on GOG.com DRM-free, otherwise never. Nothing will change my mind on that.

Stores like GOG.com got me to start buying again and stop caring as much about companies like Ubisoft as there are so many DRM-free games that I can enjoy now that those I'd like to play which aren't DRM-free, I can care less about as I have lots of other choices now that do in fact work for me well.

I find GOG.com to be superior to piracy as far as my own needs are, I only wish they were around 10 years prior so that gaming could have been that much more enjoyable all the way back into the 90s without DRM being as much of a pain in the ass as it always has been for paying customers.
Posted March 09, 2017
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XyleDaylight: Nier Automata confirmed to have denuvo on steam.
Well Square Enix + AAA game + whining on how the game had to be delayed on PC because of piracy.... honestly the only surprise would have been it not using Denuvo.

Oh well Automata and Berseria being the only AAA games I am actually interested in this year (haven't bought Berseria yet despite being a big Tales fan) so I might get Automata, hopefully Denuvo will be disabled soon after release.
Posted March 09, 2017
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skeletonbow: The creators of Denuvo have released a press announcement on the issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4v8a_2_c4U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSGDLb337-c
Posted March 09, 2017
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skeletonbow: (painful experience with 2000ies physical DRMs)
i completely understands you
Once, the Diablo 2 drm on disk simply killed my brand new optical drive in what, 4 weekends of playing...

But the last straw (shortly before GOG) for me was with Neverwinter Nights 2... I really spent many hours in this game but ultimately had to abandon it at that time (was playing at release)
1) had no support for my SLI gpu system at that time, even after 4 waves of patches, but worse: not selecting SLI wouldnt be enough, i would have to physicaly unplug one of the GPU AGP board in order to have perfs equal to one single GPU (because if not, it was falling even below)

2) DRM background service/process was eating up 50% of my CPU (that, along with the GPU issue made the game quite painful to play)

3) refused to update because of serial key problem (updating were made online through game launcher); gladfully a local gaming magazine also supplied regular offline patches for it.

4) refuses sometime to launch, and after some investigation, it appeared that it was because i dared to have installed on my computer a burning software (nero, pro version, with paid licence) and an official windows system tool published by microsoft itself, and the drm didnt like me having them launched since system boot (even if closed since then) prior to launching the game

5) for various trouble shooting issues, the game/drm faq recommended that i disable both my antivirus software and any firewall in case of some specific error messages at game launch

that is the kind of crap a legit customer has to deal with (at least at that time), while people with nocd stuff were having a rather good time with the game compared to me (the people that were supposed to be prevented from playing the game "thanx" to this DRM, i might add... yeah, right)

ON THE OTHER HAND (important point)
we shouldnt let publishers know we are ready to pay HIGHER price for DRM-Free games as if removal of DRM were a feature that worth additional expense. In fact adding DRM to the game IS already a COSTING feature that is ineffective and that (if game devs are not too stupid) shall not cost a penny to "remove" as they should keep a pre-DRM-injecting source code ifor internal purpose.
So, NO, i wont pay MORE for publishers to remove their useless crap, but i agree to pay same price just to be respected as a legit customer

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skeletonbow: The creators of Denuvo have released a press announcement on the issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4v8a_2_c4U
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richlind33:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSGDLb337-c
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richlind33:
nice ones
though on the moment one lady speaks to the other to confort her (after talking about UBI drm) i would have rather seen the following line:
"calm down, it's only because no one wants to play buggy UBI game at all"
Post edited March 09, 2017 by Djaron
Posted March 09, 2017
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skeletonbow: Stores like GOG.com got me to start buying again and stop caring as much about companies like Ubisoft as there are so many DRM-free games that I can enjoy now that those I'd like to play which aren't DRM-free, I can care less about as I have lots of other choices now that do in fact work for me well.

I find GOG.com to be superior to piracy as far as my own needs are, I only wish they were around 10 years prior so that gaming could have been that much more enjoyable all the way back into the 90s without DRM being as much of a pain in the ass as it always has been for paying customers.
True! So true!
Posted March 09, 2017
Denuvo, like DRM in general only enforces the fallacy that a deterred pirate equals a sale, which has never been proven. Secondly, like the case of Lord of the Fallen, it probably deterred sales, as the DRM was only masking a mediocre game to begin with.

That said, someone's gonna come up with another version, AAA publishers are going to buy into it, thinking it means more sales, and someone else will crack that. The cycle never ends.

At least back in the day, we had fun feelie style DRM, in the form of code wheels, manual phrases, etc.
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