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Posted January 03, 2022
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Intel CPUs are faster and better than AMD, so I advise buying an Intel, not an AMD.

And "local stores" are ripoffs that are never worth buying any hardware from.
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Dark_art_: I can understand you saying like Intel has better software support, better optimized overall, less power consumption overall (other than not working 100%), favorared by many software, feel snappier or even a high efficient compiler used by many and would be true in many cases. But faster, that's quite a bold statement and you clearly haven't compared similar CPU's in your workload.

Regarding stores I heard that Micro Center on USA is usually the cheaper option. In my case, both most popular online shops are actually also local...

Regarding the OP, I would go with the 5700G. The 5600x is probably faster in some games but the difference is not that meaningfull Unless you search every FPS available (due a fast refresh rate monitor or something) the extra cores and integrated graphics might prove usefull someday.
My question is, do you really need the upgrade from the 2600X to any of those?
I have been having some performance issues of late, the CPU has been overclocked in the past so it could be an issue.

At the same time though the graphics card has a damaged display port (looks like someone yanked out the cable without disabling the fasteners).

I should have mentioned that both pieces were second hand, they have been good for over a year and a half but lately things have been a bit off.

(Didn't pay much for them so I got my money's worth for how long I have had them)
Post edited January 03, 2022 by wolfsite
Posted January 03, 2022
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wolfsite: At the same time though the graphics card has a damaged display port (looks like someone yanked out the cable without disabling the fasteners).

I should have mentioned that both pieces were second hand, they have been good for over a year and a half but lately things have been a bit off.

(Didn't pay much for them so I got my money's worth for how long I have had them)
I'm guessing you're using DVI rather than actually DisplayPort (which doesn't use fasteners).

If the port is still working, provided you're not regularly disconnecting or moving the computer, it should last. That being said, if you're marginal on the processors, it might push you towards the one with on-chip graphics as it's a reasonable backup. (I'm assuming your motherboard has at least a DVI or HDMI port - if not, on-chip graphics isn't worth it)
Posted January 03, 2022
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wolfsite: At the same time though the graphics card has a damaged display port (looks like someone yanked out the cable without disabling the fasteners).

I should have mentioned that both pieces were second hand, they have been good for over a year and a half but lately things have been a bit off.

(Didn't pay much for them so I got my money's worth for how long I have had them)
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pds41: I'm guessing you're using DVI rather than actually DisplayPort (which doesn't use fasteners).

If the port is still working, provided you're not regularly disconnecting or moving the computer, it should last. That being said, if you're marginal on the processors, it might push you towards the one with on-chip graphics as it's a reasonable backup. (I'm assuming your motherboard has at least a DVI or HDMI port - if not, on-chip graphics isn't worth it)
It is a display port

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Displayport-cable.jpg

Those two teeth on the connector are what did the damage, the person who pulled the cable didn't press the button piece to retract the teeth.

The motherboard does have an HDMI port.
Posted January 03, 2022
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wolfsite: Right now I have some extra money available and want to upgrade a PC that I use for experimental purposes (Linux OS, multimedia uses etc.)

Right now is has a Ryzen 5 2600X with 16G of Ram and a GTX 1050Ti card

What I am looking at are two options:

1. Ryzen 7 5700G with Radeon Vega 8 integrated graphics 8 core/ 16 thread

2. Ryzen 5 5600X. 6 core / 12 thread

These are both on sale between $70 - $100 off (Canadian prices) with only $10 difference between them with the 5600X being the more expensive.

The Ryzen 7 does have less L3 Memory Cache and is limited to PCIe 3.0.

(AMD is the better value at local stores compared to Intel options so that is why no Intel options are listed)

So it's between a CPU with integrated graphics with slightly more cores and threads and a CPU with higher L3 cache and future expansion for PCIe 4.0.

Again the computer is normally hooked up a TV but can struggle with some newer more demanding programs.

any suggestions are welcome
can you specify the purpose a little more?
Posted January 03, 2022
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pds41: I'm guessing you're using DVI rather than actually DisplayPort (which doesn't use fasteners).

If the port is still working, provided you're not regularly disconnecting or moving the computer, it should last. That being said, if you're marginal on the processors, it might push you towards the one with on-chip graphics as it's a reasonable backup. (I'm assuming your motherboard has at least a DVI or HDMI port - if not, on-chip graphics isn't worth it)
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wolfsite: It is a display port

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Displayport-cable.jpg

Those two teeth on the connector are what did the damage, the person who pulled the cable didn't press the button piece to retract the teeth.

The motherboard does have an HDMI port.
Got it - when you said fasteners, I thought you meant the screws that you get on traditional connectors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface#/media/File:Dvi-cable.jpg).

To be honest, you're going to continue to get people advocating either chip because there's very little between them. Also, if you're getting performance issues on your current machine, have you dusted and done the usual maintenance (both physical and the linux equivalent - if there is one - of registry cleaning etc)?
Posted January 03, 2022
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wolfsite: It is a display port

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Displayport-cable.jpg

Those two teeth on the connector are what did the damage, the person who pulled the cable didn't press the button piece to retract the teeth.

The motherboard does have an HDMI port.
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pds41: Got it - when you said fasteners, I thought you meant the screws that you get on traditional connectors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface#/media/File:Dvi-cable.jpg).

To be honest, you're going to continue to get people advocating either chip because there's very little between them. Also, if you're getting performance issues on your current machine, have you dusted and done the usual maintenance (both physical and the linux equivalent - if there is one - of registry cleaning etc)?
Yes, put a new Linux OS (Garuda to Manjaro) on it but still noticed odd behaviours and hanging, got a new hard drive to see if the one I was using had bad sectors but same results.
Posted January 03, 2022
Just looking at the CPU for right now, I don't think I'd upgrade a 2600x to a 5600x. I mean obviously there are improvements there but on a 1050ti PC for just messing around I don't think it would matter much? Also the 6000 series should be announced soon.
Posted January 03, 2022
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wolfsite: Right now I have some extra money available and want to upgrade a PC that I use for experimental purposes (Linux OS, multimedia uses etc.)

Right now is has a Ryzen 5 2600X with 16G of Ram and a GTX 1050Ti card

What I am looking at are two options:

1. Ryzen 7 5700G with Radeon Vega 8 integrated graphics 8 core/ 16 thread

2. Ryzen 5 5600X. 6 core / 12 thread

These are both on sale between $70 - $100 off (Canadian prices) with only $10 difference between them with the 5600X being the more expensive.

The Ryzen 7 does have less L3 Memory Cache and is limited to PCIe 3.0.

(AMD is the better value at local stores compared to Intel options so that is why no Intel options are listed)

So it's between a CPU with integrated graphics with slightly more cores and threads and a CPU with higher L3 cache and future expansion for PCIe 4.0.

Again the computer is normally hooked up a TV but can struggle with some newer more demanding programs.

any suggestions are welcome
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apehater: can you specify the purpose a little more?
Right now it's a little bit of everything, it's hooked up to a TV so it acts like a media center handling movies, streaming, etc. Also handling gaming in the room (Games are running on WINE). The performance issues are noticeable on larger games (newer Tomb Raiders and similar era games)
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StingingVelvet: Just looking at the CPU for right now, I don't think I'd upgrade a 2600x to a 5600x. I mean obviously there are improvements there but on a 1050ti PC for just messing around I don't think it would matter much? Also the 6000 series should be announced soon.
Very true, but with distribution shortages still on the horizon there is no guarantee of getting my hands on a 6000 series, the 5000 series took a couple of months to get steady stock in my area at the beginning of the pandemic plus I would need a new Motherboard for a 6000 series CPU.
Post edited January 03, 2022 by wolfsite
Posted January 03, 2022
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apehater: can you specify the purpose a little more?
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wolfsite: Right now it's a little bit of everything, it's hooked up to a TV so it acts like a media center handling movies, streaming, etc. Also handling gaming in the room (Games are running on WINE). The performance issues are noticeable on larger games (newer Tomb Raiders and similar era games)
well then its hard to say and maybe someone else will correct me/give a better advice. but anyway. as far as i know, for gaming it should be the 5600x because of bigger l3 cache. it will take a while till 8 vs 6 cores start to matter. although this is about gaming on a windows system and with a beefy gfx like 6700xt and above or if you're playing very cpu intensive games (like arma 3 or ps3 game emulation, there aren't that much really cpu demanding games). the performance issues with newer tomb raider titles are because of the gpu, not the cpu.

as a media center it might be handy to have more cores, so better go with the 5700g. but again its all performance on windows systems and i don't know how this works out on linux.
Posted January 03, 2022
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wolfsite: 1. Ryzen 7 5700G with Radeon Vega 8 integrated graphics 8 core/ 16 thread
When building my newest rig i did this and was only like $30-$50 more; With 8 cores and 16 threads, it's hard to keep all of them busy. Recently with Tomb Raider 2013 for free been replaying that (and god the shakey cam is awful...). But some games and even PCSX2 emulator seem much smoother than they used to be.

Note: If you get any of the Gigabyte motherboards, you probably WILL have to flash the board with the latest BIOS. Until i did that, it was crashing all the time.
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Ruvika: The 5600X, you already got a graphic card that has almost the same performance of a 5700G, less money, better CPU performance.
If the system isn't unstable until it's updated, sure. Otherwise integrated graphics is a godsend until it's working, and may refuse to use external graphics cards until that point, or so it seems to me.
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