Crosmando: ...Warhammer 40k that depict "Hell" as a dimension of pure, primordial evil and chaos...

Crosmando: I'm pretty sure that early/medieval Christians probably considered Hell to be a dark, gloomy place removed from the light of God, basically the same as the Greek Underworld (Hades) but I doubt they ever considered that it would be as bad as these modern interpretations of Hell which portray a realm of sadistic eternal torture, where the very environment is corrupted and flesh-like.

I think it was really Dante Alighieri who popularized the eternal torture concept in Divine Comedy. And then you've got modern stuff like Event Horizon, Warhammer 40k that depict "Hell" as a dimension of pure, primordial evil and chaos (which granted is far more terrifying than some underground place ruled by a fallen angel).

Mafwek: The Warp isn't evil, and it isn't Hell.

RedRagan: Well, they're demons. Embodiment of fire and rage and pain. You don't expect demons to sit in a bar playing some melancholic jazz.

Breja: Why not? That's pretty much exactly what Lucifer did.

Arinielle: Ah, another game to portray hell as being blistering hot and things mentioned here just sounds like what we usually see or hear about on animal documentaries or people that aren't so civilized. Little more than beasts acting on instinct. .. some of that torture crap is hardly worse than some of the worst BDSM kinksters....

Need more ideas of what Hell would be than just firey... Some say it's freezing the deeper you go. Some think it's a desolate place where only the empty soulless drag on for eternity with no rest. Some say it's reliving your death ( if it was a terrible one ) and witnessing many others.. perhaps even dying themselves over and over again.. just to be woken up to have it happen again and again.

I'm disappointed with what I see with this game. I had been waiting for more info on it for a good while but this isn't really doing anything that isn't already done many times over with a different coat of paint.

Wake me when there's more interesting games on succubi... *yawns*

Mafwek: Yeah, but he is an (arch)angel, not a demon:D

RedRagan: It's more of a more creative approach where the writer want a more softer torture. Putting hand on a lit fire is painful for everyone and hell is simply a primal pain and torture punishment so painful they can't no longer think. People who wrote hell as mind torture are typical hipster who still think they going to hell but can still get their daily starbuck refill.
RedRagan: Well, they're demons. Embodiment of fire and rage and pain. You don't expect demons to sit in a bar playing some melancholic jazz.

RedRagan: Okay why people complaining? This is close to what hell described, a place for suffering. People forget and start making media about how hell is supposed to be a fun place. Hell is not fun! Hell is there to punish sinner, not sitting in a luau sipping some martini.

So yeah, hell is supposed to make people uneasy. If you can\'t deal with it then play some lego game ffs.

Mafwek: No it isn't, I am not semantic, and I don't take orders.

Mafwek: The Warp/Immaterium is psychic reflection of material universe, and as such neither is it primordial, because material universe predates it and not the other way around

Mafwek: neither is it evil, since it merely reflects psyches of the mortals

Breja: Aren't all (or at least most) demons fallen angels? I remember Crowley is called a demon all the time Good Omens.

toxicTom: What comic book artists and game designers come up with nowadays is pretty tame in comparison. I don't know who first invented the "organic/flesh hell" imagery - it's pretty cool though.

WinterSnowfall: In the traditional sense, yes. But in some (non-abrahamic) cultures their equivalents are distinct and complementary antagonists of good, not something corrupted or fallen from grace.

Breja: Yeah, sure. All I'm saying is that Lucifer (in that comic) is a relevant example of a "demon sitting in a bar playing some melancholic jazz".