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Posted 3 days ago
Besides: I was personally testing it, Clair Obscure on Steam, it is as well with a pretty strong DRM. I can not say what they did exactly but it will need some serious method for enabling it, not DRM free for certain.

I was now asking for a reimbursement but on Steam the matter is much worse than on EGS, because on EGS it can be done instantly if the game is "given back" in less than a hour (usually the case if i make refund for technical reasons); this is never the case on Steam, they will always watch it "personally" and then they may say "no, your concern is not valid or whatever"... so it need some luck there, but we will see. If the deny it... one more reason for using a cheap key.

As soon as i got refunded i will test some more games i am interested into. There is no reason to believe they do deny it because there was not many refunds there; out of 17 games i got "directly from Steam" (no key, else refund will not work anyway) i never got any refund. The only other case they did not grant me a refund which was really "eye opening" because i was never abusing it. It is surely not their "conditions" making them so sought after by gamers, just the huge library, the strong support from every direction and a apparently supreme launcher.

It was important to me to let them know that the DRM was leading to a refund request, so they may not accidentally think "everyone is a Denuvo lover or DRM in general". I was never, not in a single case... demanding a refund for a non DRMed game.
Post edited 3 days ago by Xeshra
Posted 3 days ago
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Xeshra: Besides: I was personally testing it, Clair Obscure on Steam, it is as well with a pretty strong DRM. I can not say what they did exactly but it will need some serious method for enabling it, not DRM free for certain.

I was now asking for a reimbursement but on Steam the matter is much worse than on EGS, because on EGS it can be done instantly if the game is "given back" in less than a hour (usually the case if i make refund for technical reasons); this is never the case on Steam, they will always watch it "personally" and then they may say "no, your concern is not valid or whatever"... so it need some luck there, but we will see. If the deny it... one more reason for using a cheap key.

As soon as i got refunded i will test some more games i am interested into. There is no reason to believe they do deny it because there was not many refunds there; out of 17 games i got "directly from Steam" (no key, else refund will not work anyway) i never got any refund. The only other case they did not grant me a refund which was really "eye opening" because i was never abusing it. It is surely not their "conditions" making them so sought after by gamers, just the huge library, the strong support from every direction and a apparently supreme launcher.

It was important to me to let them know that the DRM was leading to a refund request, so they may not accidentally think "everyone is a Denuvo lover or DRM in general". I was never, not in a single case... demanding a refund for a non DRMed game.
Weird. I've never had trouble getting a Steam refund within the window, and have even gotten more than one outside the 2 hour window.
Posted 3 days ago
Well, on this one i got a refund-agreement now, but the "payback" is still pending and i dunno how long it takes to have it back. On EGS i got the refund instantly, the payment as well.

Until it is out of pending condition, i obviously can not use it for another game because this cash is disabled for now.°°

Steam can pretty much dictate everything because on PC... there is often no other competitor. In many cases only Steam is provided, not even EGS and even less GOG.

°°I was not using a very insecure credit card, for those payments they should even leave it pending for up to 30 days so no one can come and say "some robber was using a stolen credit card" but they will never do it... because those payment companies are just to powerful and used by way to many users around the globe. Just in my country it is only handed out toward rich people in usual, so this is not a payment option for someone not sufficiently wealthy, and if they are sufficiently wealthy... obviously they could afford the "loss", as nasty as it sounds. Because the payment company will not cover a loss in usual... the customer is the one taking most of the risks involved.
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Posted 3 days ago
What a journey.....

I have to admit that your 'goal' managed to elude me so far, your question seemed to be a bit more on depth than other regular forum questions belonging to 'Whats that game' or 'look at me' category, you are also not really sharing info. It also seems that your conclusions while on the surface being accurate might change when you look deeper into the subject, though ultimately not changing the outcome in any way other than the 'appropriate use of technical language' in a specific environment :)

So yea, i am curious, if you forgive me, about what you are actually trying to find out and the relevance behind these sorts of outcomes to you.

Do you belong to some 'group' where information of the kind you are trying to obtain is valued?
Posted 3 days ago
Yes, the GOGer group, which is still minor but not minor enough in order to pretend there are still 2 tomatoes patching both eyes at once... instead just one single tomato with the other eye gazing electrified at a matter way to minor to be seen as a real meal... until they at some point fail to maintain or start up their game which may result into a day without a meal, but at least salty water watered down from many tears.
Posted 3 days ago
lol

For Zhe Upstarts !!!!!

fat chance these days though....... I just watched my favorite Greek person again, i mean, ever since all that tax money was used to keep Greece from falling i keep my tabs on their former minister of Economics.... He has some harsh things to say!

In the last video i noticed he pointed how in traditional companies about 85% of revenue watered down to salaries, in more modern companies this is down to 10%!!!

To survive in such an environment, you need every piece of info you can get!
Posted 3 days ago
Ah yes, modern companies (and i do not see 1-12 devs as a company, rather a bunch of workers known as Indies...) are usually watered down by shareholders or yacht-owners... i mean, a yacht is really expensive to maintain... millions a year just for its maintenance alone. Even a hypercar is kinda cheap compared to this.

In general, a modern company is not the good old "we are owned by our workers" thing, not at all... a modern company at a certain size is usually just paying the minimum salaries to the devs while anything which goes beyond this level is some form of "gratifications" either for those considered customers or those who are considered the most important. We are not customers, we are consumers, related to this hierarchy.

Ultimately absolutely true: The percentage from the salaries has never been that low and so far it does not look like it may not go down even more. A company is seen as a investment, for those who want even more and if they know how it works, they may have a happy life at the expense of others.

Besides, nope... neither Clair Obscur nor Wuchang has been done by a Indie studio. Clair Obscur had around 50 devs which is probably now up to even more devs, so it can be seen as a small company. While Wuchang may have even more devs but difficult to say how many was working on it. The cost of Wuchang apparently was around the level, or even more, than Wukong... which is 50 to 100 million USD.
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