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mechmouse: You are reading the linked thread correctly

Personally, unless the dev/pub explicitly allow 1 copy to be used simultaniously on multiple machines for personal use, Then I will buy multiple copies (which is why my wife has a GoG account for Dying Light, and we have 6 copies of C+C 1st Decade).
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octalot: You've said two different things there, so which one is it? Do you believe that buying 1 copy entitles 3 people on 3 PCs to play simultaneously is reasonable?

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mechmouse: But it raised the question whether my kids can use my games full stop. If a game from my library is not being used can one of my kids or wife play it? The answer came back from GoG support that it would be a violation of the user agreement and they absolutely can not use them. Games are for my sole use only (which is total BS)
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octalot: No it didn't. Someone who believed that buying 1 copy should entitle 3 people to play on 3 PCs simultaneously got an answer in the strict legalese appropriate for such an unreasonable question.
GOG's position seems to be that other family members are not even allowed to take turns playing the one copy and that's what mechmouse feels is unreasonable (rightly in my opinion). They already said that for simultaneous play they have bought multiple copies.
You know, this is one of those things that, if you just do it, nobody knows, nobody cares, you're not harming anybody in any conceivable way.

But you're throwing a tantrum to get your way, even though there is absolutely no need to, and while doing that, you're shining a spotlight exactly where... lawyers... want you to, so they can enforce DRM on everything.

You are why we can't have nice things.
This policy is likely one that would be laughed out of court if they tried to enforce, and most likely neither GOG nor the publishers really care if you allow your son or sister to play your game copy.

However, they take the position they do to prevent someone from saying they are not distributing pirated copies of a game, they're just sharing the game with 100,000 distant cousins.
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Dalthnock: You know, this is one of those things that, if you just do it, nobody knows, nobody cares, you're not harming anybody in any conceivable way.

But you're throwing a tantrum to get your way, even though there is absolutely no need to, and while doing that, you're shining a spotlight exactly where... lawyers... want you to, so they can enforce DRM on everything.

You are why we can't have nice things.
The reason we can't have "nice" things is because people don't fight for their rights.

They sit, complacent, thinking that the grey area they exploit will remain undefined indefinitely.

It won't.

Grey areas are not good for consumers, we don't have the knowledge or resources to exploit them, companies and their kin do. The lawyers already know, and the longer it digital rights stay grey, the longer companies have to define and build mechanisms in their favour.

Defined protected rights keep consumers safe.

What you're describing is the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy of the Armed forces. That's not acceptance, its not security, it hiding and hoping those in power take pity on you.
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Sheershaw: This policy is likely one that would be laughed out of court if they tried to enforce, and most likely neither GOG nor the publishers really care if you allow your son or sister to play your game copy.

However, they take the position they do to prevent someone from saying they are not distributing pirated copies of a game, they're just sharing the game with 100,000 distant cousins.
Again, a household, even one as ludicrously techie as ours is only going to have a dozen computers.

All they need to do is go back to the household rule
Post edited April 15, 2022 by mechmouse
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Dalthnock: You know, this is one of those things that, if you just do it, nobody knows, nobody cares, you're not harming anybody in any conceivable way.

But you're throwing a tantrum to get your way, even though there is absolutely no need to, and while doing that, you're shining a spotlight exactly where... lawyers... want you to, so they can enforce DRM on everything.

You are why we can't have nice things.
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mechmouse: The reason we can't have "nice" things is because people don't fight for their rights.

They sit, complacent, thinking that the grey area they exploit will remain undefined indefinitely.

It won't.
I want to have your problems.
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mechmouse: The reason we can't have "nice" things is because people don't fight for their rights.

They sit, complacent, thinking that the grey area they exploit will remain undefined indefinitely.

It won't.
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Dalthnock: I want to have your problems.
No you don't

Because out of all the problems in my life this apparently Sisyphean task is one of the few I have a degree of control over. I don't fight this because I don't have other battles, this is a release from all the other battles I can never win.

Not to say other don't have things worse, I'm grateful for the degree of Stability our benefit and healthcare systems offer, but our life is a house of cards that can collapse at any time, consonantly needing propping up. There are "villains" in our life that make it miserable and they are untouchable.

You don't want my problems.

I get you are content to exist in the grey area while our consumer rights are eroded, but I'm not. And quite frankly GoG should be better than this.

Loosing this last niche of ownership matters to me, because computers, their software and their games is an integral part of who I am. I grew up with physical media and the rights their physical form inherited. Computers were a sanctuary from a harsh and illogical world, and then for 2 decades they gave my life a purpose and an income.

Gaming is a part of our family's shared experience. So I don't want throw away the rights I had, I don't want my kids or grand kids experience of gaming to be some pay per play rental experience.
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That's good to know.