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Ganni1987: Just read this story today which I find absolutely disgusting:
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JMich: Why did the story require over 4 years to come to light?
According to this PC World article, Microsoft has been selling Signature Edition laptops since May 2012 (about the same time Good Old Games became GOG).
Or is the issue not the Signature Edition, but the BIOS? Or what a computer must have before a "Signature Edition" sticker is possible for it, similar to the old UEFI debate?
After I posted this news, I thought about a hardware incompatibility too and it seems I was mislead by some sites, this article has an update regarding this story and it seems to be a driver issue.

It seems the initial reports were quite misleading.
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Johnathanamz: Good I hope all PC hardware if you use Linux you get locked out of being able to use it unless you use Windows.
Linux is useless anyways.
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Johnathanamz: People who go for products that are free are freeloaders to me.
Wow.. I think you wrote your worst Gog posts in this thread.
Post edited September 22, 2016 by phaolo
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Johnathanamz: The whole entire United States military at the Pentagon runs only Windows.
You won't win the "it's everywhere" debate. Windows control the increasingly niche desktop market. That's it.

The Linux/Unix based Android/Ios oses control the phones.

The vast majority of servers that power the web are Unix and the majority of those are Linux.

Linux/Unix is also the dominant force in embedded systems. TVs, routers and a bunch of other stuff I can't be bothered to enumerate off the top of my head mostly run on Linux/Unix.

An overwelming majority of the top 500 supercomputers run on Linux/Unix.

Windows is dominant on the desktop because it raced to the "user-friendly" finish 10-15 years before Linux. It was everywhere in schools and many people learned to use a computer on Windows. Now, most people are not very technically savvy, do not care and will stick with whatever they know.

PS: Linux is not "free". It was created and is maintained by an incredibly large group of people committed for various reasons (often self-serving as a user of the OS) to bring and maintain a high quality open-source OS that anyone can share and use. There is an ongoing human cost to Linux and its sizable. It is a monumental achievement in human cooperativeness and sharing that I think has yet to be matched anywhere else in the software world.

Saying Linux is "free" is like saying international human rights are "free". They may not cost a monetary value, but the amount of human resources of all kinds that have gone toward defining them and upholding them is enormous.
Post edited September 22, 2016 by Magnitus
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Johnathanamz: The whole entire United States military at the Pentagon runs only Windows.
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Magnitus: You won't win the "it's everywhere" debate. Windows control the increasingly niche desktop market. That's it.

The Linux/Unix based Android/Ios oses control the phones.

The vast majority of servers that power the web are Unix and the majority of those are Linux.

Linux/Unix is also the dominant force in embedded systems. TVs, routers and a bunch of other stuff I can't be bothered to enumerate off the top of my head mostly run on Linux/Unix.

An overwelming majority of the top 500 supercomputers run on Linux/Unix.

Windows is dominant on the desktop because it raced to the "user-friendly" finish 10-15 years before Linux. It was everywhere in schools and many people learned to use a computer on Windows. Now, most people are not very technically savvy, do not care and will stick with whatever they know.

PS: Linux is not "free". It was created and is maintained by an incredibly large group of people committed for various reasons (often self-serving as a user of the OS) to bring and maintain a high quality open-source OS that anyone can share and use. There is an ongoing human cost to Linux and its sizable. It is a monumental achievement in human cooperativeness and sharing that I think has yet to be matched anywhere else in the software world.

Saying Linux is "free" is like saying international human rights are "free". They may not cost a monetary value, but the amount of human resources of all kinds that have gone toward defining them and upholding them is enormous.
I'm not trying to win a Windows is everywhere argument.

I know that Linux controls most of the marketshare for the smart phone mobile phone market.

Windows servers may eventually start rising higher and higher with MicroSoft's Asure servers that are not powered by Linux. There were some stats that MicroSoft's Asure servers marketshare has started to rise a little bit.

As I said before I know you can do donations for Linux and all that, but for the desktop PC it's free and I don't like that at all I don't like people who free load.
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Johnathanamz: I'm not trying to win a Windows is everywhere argument.

I know that Linux controls most of the marketshare for the smart phone mobile phone market.

Windows servers may eventually start rising higher and higher with MicroSoft's Asure servers that are not powered by Linux. There were some stats that MicroSoft's Asure servers marketshare has started to rise a little bit.

As I said before I know you can do donations for Linux and all that, but for the desktop PC it's free and I don't like that at all I don't like people who free load.
I don't know if they still do it, but IIRC red hat did offer a paid version of their distro as well, you got like 1 year support for it.
Most other distros do not have any support, you have to ask the tech savy community. (might have changed, don't know)

But before you continue with: "I don't like people who free load?"

Let's look at MS: They are nowadays giving their Windows away for free as well? How did THEY pay for the development? Yes with all the profits they ripped of the consumers. Or how do you want to explain that the prices of Windows are in free fall?

To remind you, in the beginning, DOS would cost your soul.
W95 was halve your body
W2000 only an arm and a leg.
WXP it went even further down.

NOW W10 for free?????

So please explain how is a company is paying for this WHICH DOES not live from donations (in any form)?

And those Linux companies are quite often living of the sales of the server SW and doing the home user version for free, as a by-product. But as you stated yourself, MS doesn't have any server clientele. And servers are a real huge market.

Yes their market share might rise, because you always find a boss too stupid to be really a boss.

Do you know how many times MS tried to get into the server market and failed miserable BECAUSE of their SW?

Just as a comparison:

What would be more profitable:
a.) Hacking the root servers of the internet?
b.) Hacking every Windows PC in the world (talking about home users)

and now on top, please also tell me, what has happened more?
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Magnitus: 'snip
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Johnathanamz: I'm not trying to win a Windows is everywhere argument.

I know that Linux controls most of the marketshare for the smart phone mobile phone market.

Windows servers may eventually start rising higher and higher with MicroSoft's Asure servers that are not powered by Linux. There were some stats that MicroSoft's Asure servers marketshare has started to rise a little bit.

As I said before I know you can do donations for Linux and all that, but for the desktop PC it's free and I don't like that at all I don't like people who free load.
Wow, well aren't you judgemental. What is wrong with free if it is offered. While yes, money is what makes the world go round but there is more to life then money. Why should everything come at a financial cost? Yes, it is good to contribute if you can but there is more then a financial contribution you can make.

Perhaps you have found a problem with your linux OS but you found a fix for it and share it with others. That is contributing back to the community in a small way. The cost of a free operating system is you have to have some technical chops to solve some problems for yourself without having professional support to help you. Perhaps you join in on improving the documentation. I don't even need to go into the benefits of being a code programmer in the linux community.

To swing back on topic, I have faith that someone will find a work around this bullshit and get linux working on those signature laptop. If anything but to prove it can be done.
Post edited September 22, 2016 by Thunderstone
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Johnathanamz: Windows servers may eventually start rising higher and higher with MicroSoft's Asure servers that are not powered by Linux. There were some stats that MicroSoft's Asure servers marketshare has started to rise a little bit.
Couple of things about that.

1. AWS is king of the cloud by a long shot

2. Abstract AWS away for a moment, if you amalgamate all other VM providers (Google, Digital Ocean, Linode, etc) as well as self-hosted machines, Azure is very much the market minority

3. Realize that a lot of Azure users run Linux on Windows. Microsoft pretty much capitulated to Linux compatibility with their cloud offering:

https://www.docker.com/microsoft
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/documentation/articles/virtual-machines-linux-dockerextension/

When you get to that point, it doesn't matter what underlying os it runs on, you are using a Linux-compatibility layer to run Linux stuff with "something underneat" and what you see is Linux. Got to appreciate the irony that while trying to crush Linux in the desktop world, Microsoft is on its knees sucking up to Linux on the server world and saying "See, we have a Linux compatibility layer, you can run your Linux apps on Windows and you won't even know we're there! We won't get in the way of your Linux greatness, please, come with us! Plz plz plz. The desktop business is not doing so great anymore, we're in the trouble. Plz plz plz plz, come with us!"

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Johnathanamz: As I said before I know you can do donations for Linux and all that, but for the desktop PC it's free and I don't like that at all I don't like people who free load.
Clearly, it does not use a model you are comfortable with, but let me assure you that the Linux model is sustainable.

Open-source is powered by people coming together to build a solution they can all use to everyone's benefit and if any piece of software could achieve that, it's an OS as everybody needs one. It's a shared endeavor for mutual benefit.
Post edited September 22, 2016 by Magnitus
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Ganni1987: It seems the initial reports were quite misleading.
So, update the OP with the new info instead of keeping it with the misleading one? Just a thought.
Update: Microsoft has gotten in touch and flatly denies that its Signature program prevents Linux installs. It also echoes Lenovo's stance on hardware support. You can read its statement below.

"Lenovo recently adopted RAID on SSDs in certain product configurations, which require additional steps to support all system features. More information can be found on their support page; https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd031426. Recent claims about software installation issues related to Microsoft Signature are inaccurate."

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The URL Microsoft provided is not very informative though.