Posted September 27, 2016

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Gede
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Posted September 28, 2016


How much do those AMD NAS cost?

Lin545
May. 24, 2022
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Gede
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Lin545
May. 24, 2022
Registered: Jun 2011
From Russian Federation
Posted September 30, 2016
Well, basically any recent all-in-one system will do. The case can be found for $20-30, if power supply in your region is sufficiently stable, no extra PSU is needed, otherwise check jonnyguru.com. You could and should go with ECC memory if possible. I know that all AMD solutions from ASUS support it on desktop. Others need to be manually checked. NAS is just some lower-power machine (not necessary x86, could also go arm) with platters. The ready-to-buy NAS are usually locked down and crappy on security, lack flexibility or have issues with recovery.

Gede
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From Portugal
Posted October 01, 2016


Lin545
May. 24, 2022
Registered: Jun 2011
From Russian Federation

Gede
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From Portugal
Posted October 02, 2016
Last time I looked for it (about 6 years ago), that was the impression I got.
My usual store does not even carry it. I can find some 16GB around thd 80-90€ mark (~ $100), and 8GB for almost that much.
I'm glad you can find so many neat stuff where you live. It seems the hardware market in Portugal is not as varied. :-(
My usual store does not even carry it. I can find some 16GB around thd 80-90€ mark (~ $100), and 8GB for almost that much.
I'm glad you can find so many neat stuff where you live. It seems the hardware market in Portugal is not as varied. :-(

Lin545
May. 24, 2022
Registered: Jun 2011
From Russian Federation
Posted October 02, 2016

My usual store does not even carry it. I can find some 16GB around thd 80-90€ mark (~ $100), and 8GB for almost that much.
I'm glad you can find so many neat stuff where you live. It seems the hardware market in Portugal is not as varied. :-(
For DDR2/3 there are basically three sorts of RAM:
1) unbuffered non-ECC, aka regular RAM without any checking. The suffix is "-U", like PC3-10600U. Motherboards using this RAM are also fully compatible and accept (2), but ECC functionality may remain disabled.
2) unbuffered non-registered ECC, aka unbuffered ECC. The suffix is "-E", like PC3-10600E. Motherboard should support it, CPU must support it, BIOS/UEFI must support it. 1+2+3=ECC on. This is usually seen in one-processor (1P) systems - aka "regular desktop/notebook etc mainboards" provided 1+2+3 meet, but there can be exceptions. Motherboards using this RAM are also fully compatible with and accept (1). It costs vary and are typically same as (1).
3) registered ECC, aka "server RAM" (not always the case). The suffix is "-R" , like PC3-10600R.
This is typically used for multiprocessor (2P/4P etc) systems, although it may also appear on 1P systems (!). The difference between (2) and (3) is that (3) has extra buffering to reduce stress on the memory controller, thus this RAM type may have a little more latency. This RAM is physically incompatible with (1) and (2). These may cost a bit more, but it varies - its nothing but a market price.
Thats it. Running Supermicro x8sti right now with 12GB of (2) in a desktop system with desktop components.
As for places where to purchase - one good option is ebay.
Regarding advantage of ECC, it depends ... maybe you get 1-2 bit-flips in half year due to cosmic radiation? Which may cause OS issues or something less. Maybe a bit of data corruption, but that is very unlikely (aka "possible"). So I would definitely get it for the server of any type, but its less important compared to other stuff like good thermal room, good cables, good PSU etc.
Edit: typo
Post edited October 02, 2016 by Lin545

Gede
GNU/Linux user
Registered: Nov 2014
From Portugal
Posted October 03, 2016

My usual store does not even carry it. I can find some 16GB around thd 80-90€ mark (~ $100), and 8GB for almost that much.
I'm glad you can find so many neat stuff where you live. It seems the hardware market in Portugal is not as varied. :-(

Also, if anyone wants to learn a bit more about the subject, you may read Google's paper "DRAM Errors in the Wild: A Large-Scale Field Study".

Lin545
May. 24, 2022
Registered: Jun 2011
From Russian Federation
Posted October 04, 2016
Its DDR4, I haven't dealt with this yet. But I know one thing for sure - its advertized "CRC on Write" feature is actually due to higher error rate, so it does not get any better from regular pre-4 RAM and is actually supposed to complement ECC in -R/-E DDR4 modules.