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So, 20 years! That's a long time! I was 5, 20 years ago.

Pokemon was freshly getting banned in conservative homes, several rival series were getting butchered by 4Kids including the superior Anime, Digimon, and things were overall nice.

Except you know, Ash loses. In spite of showing himself capable of actually WINNING badges, instead of getting them though some contrived fluke.

Okay, so he goes onto the Orange League and actually wins! Hurrah! Except it doesn't count for shit, is filler, and never comes up again!

Silver League: He loses again. Some nobody takes the victory. Somehow his classic rival, Gary Oak does worse, but by this point, Gary was getting ready to drop out of battling because research.

Ever Grande Conference: He loses in the same ranking. Any sane person would have turned around and gone home after three losses.

Lily of the Valley Conference: Oh! So close, yet so far! He places in the top four, which in anyone's book is still a losing rank.

Vertress Conference: He get's knocked back into the top 8. By this point, it should be noted that it has been well over 10 years since this dunderhead started. Even Yamcha has bowed into the background with some semblance of grace by such point.

Lumiose Conference: 2nd Place! But winner takes all and he shouldn't have lost by any logical definition! This could have been the perfect point for Ash to finally get kicked out of the way for a far more interesting premise, such as oh, the Pokemon Adventures Manga or making Origins into a full series, but apparently the writers are more soulless than the makers of Bleach and Naruto combined.

Here's the thing. Pokemon is now bombing, in terms of viewership. The anime really could have used a shakeup at this point. But I guess they want the anime to die organically of neglect.

Hey, it only took Glass Joe 100 losses to figure out that some head protection might do him good! There's only...93 more leagues to go and the Aloean region doesn't even have a league! (As far as one can tell.)

With absolutely no stakes or reason to watch, what's the point of continuing the anime? How can we convince these producers to shoot the anime in the head out behind the shed?
He still hasn't evolved his fucking pikachu, has he?
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WBGhiro: He still hasn't evolved his fucking pikachu, has he?
Nope! And he still sends old pokemon back to Oak's Lab because...why enter a new region and just steamroll everything?
Ash loses because seriously who chokes people with rolled up magazines ?
I expect nothing more than a guy who's too dumb to give his perpetually unevolving pikachu an eviolite. And he's a cheater; never obeying the evasion clause.
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Darvond: So, 20 years! That's a long time! I was 5, 20 years ago.

Pokemon was freshly getting banned in conservative homes, several rival series were getting butchered by 4Kids including the superior Anime, Digimon, and things were overall nice.

Except you know, Ash loses. In spite of showing himself capable of actually WINNING badges, instead of getting them though some contrived fluke.

Okay, so he goes onto the Orange League and actually wins! Hurrah! Except it doesn't count for shit, is filler, and never comes up again!

Silver League: He loses again. Some nobody takes the victory. Somehow his classic rival, Gary Oak does worse, but by this point, Gary was getting ready to drop out of battling because research.

Ever Grande Conference: He loses in the same ranking. Any sane person would have turned around and gone home after three losses.

Lily of the Valley Conference: Oh! So close, yet so far! He places in the top four, which in anyone's book is still a losing rank.

Vertress Conference: He get's knocked back into the top 8. By this point, it should be noted that it has been well over 10 years since this dunderhead started. Even Yamcha has bowed into the background with some semblance of grace by such point.

Lumiose Conference: 2nd Place! But winner takes all and he shouldn't have lost by any logical definition! This could have been the perfect point for Ash to finally get kicked out of the way for a far more interesting premise, such as oh, the Pokemon Adventures Manga or making Origins into a full series, but apparently the writers are more soulless than the makers of Bleach and Naruto combined.

Here's the thing. Pokemon is now bombing, in terms of viewership. The anime really could have used a shakeup at this point. But I guess they want the anime to die organically of neglect.

Hey, it only took Glass Joe 100 losses to figure out that some head protection might do him good! There's only...93 more leagues to go and the Aloean region doesn't even have a league! (As far as one can tell.)

With absolutely no stakes or reason to watch, what's the point of continuing the anime? How can we convince these producers to shoot the anime in the head out behind the shed?
Tsk, tsk. Son, you are confused. Anime is not the same as manga. Ash IS NOT, "Red". Red, is the protagonist, red is the man, red is the badass! Also, not everything is about winning. Loss can be key in evolving something, too.
Post edited August 19, 2016 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eAm7XADWAQ
Regarding Ash: He's ten. He keeps finishing near the top, against trainers who are up to five times his age with (supposedly) that much more experience. By the time he finally starts growing armpit hair, he'll be nigh unstoppable.

Of course, the show will never let that happen, though; it would be its death knell. Ash is supposed to represent the hopes and occasional setbacks of every pokémon trainer; if he achieves more than the occasional full victory, all of that drama would be lost.


Regarding Pikachu: It doesn't want to evolve; if it ever did so, it would undergo a radical personality change, making it in effect a completely different creature who'd no longer be Ash's best friend. (And not just because it would be a Raichu.) This is actually canon; there was an episode where Ash offered Pikachu a thunder stone, and its response was to smack the stone away with its tail.

This also makes sense in-game; if you keep a pokémon at its lowest evolution while raising it to level 100 (98 or 99 for those which have to level up to evolve) then when you do finally evolve it, it will end up more powerful than if you'd done so earlier.


Why yes, I have played the game (and watched the show) for the past 20 years, and now do so with my nephew and niece. What makes you ask?
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TwoHandedSword: if you keep a pokémon at its lowest evolution while raising it to level 100 (98 or 99 for those which have to level up to evolve) then when you do finally evolve it, it will end up more powerful than if you'd done so earlier.
Game wise, especially gen 1 and 2, this is not the case. First, getting a low level pokemon, the lower the starting level, the higher the stats go during training (levelling). Second, the only stronger outcome for keeping pokemon unevolved for long, is learning powerful moves sooner and the occasional rare move that only a lower form can learn, not the evolution (but can be kept post evolve). Also there, you had the "box training" method, which would allow you to hit max stats on any creature, without endless breeding chains, killing a certain type of pokemon in spam fashion to raise a certain stat exclusively and using stat-related items during the endeavor (which were non-existent at the time).

In old generations, the sooner the evolution, the stronger the end result. Doubly so, since TMs of that era were amazingly powerful, basic and useful moves (gen 1 and 2 era it was viable sometimes to make pokemon complete TM and HM dumps). And missingNO plus item multiply, helped a great deal in that direction. Or cloning in gen 2 with items held.

This you mentioned and i quoted above, stands very true, but gen 3 and onwards wise, only.