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SylvanFae: there's regulation about bots checking threads before allow post itno daylight...and that's all.

There's one guy who lost it's whole library for racist speech. But that's done by moderators.
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Flesh420.613: Was it actually racist or was it racism of the feels type?
the article OP is referring was on a shitty sensationalist website and the guy in question provocated Steam Support multiple times and had many chances to back off before they had enough of his shenanigans

Then again lets conveniently leave out such details because "DURR STEAM EVIL", right?

I will let you be the judge if you wanna believe the story or not

https:/www.oneangrygamer.net/2020/06/steam-user-loses-game-library-after-valve-perma-bans-him-for-extreme-raci sm/110937/

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Pheace: By nature that sounds political and political discussions have been banned from Steam since long before any of that. Also, forums don't have free speech, they're private space.
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Wishmaster777: Imagine rape being legal inside of a company, just because it is a private space. I mean, it is your logic, not mine.
Are you seriously going down this path of comparing sexual assault with not being able to do whatever you want on someone elses private platform without repercussions?
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Crevurre: Hi,

Has anyone known of the anti-free speech crackdown happening on Steam. It is impossible to make a comment or thread without being banned, now.
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SylvanFae: there's regulation about bots checking threads before allow post itno daylight...and that's all.

There's one guy who lost it's whole library for racist speech. But that's done by moderators.
except no, he didnt

He got banned after provoking staff and moderators multiple times despite multiple warnings and temporary bans

Facts can be a b**
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Pheace: What was the lie exactly?
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Crevurre: You made it sound like it's always been this way. It hasn't. Only a couple of years ago, you could say anything almost (except some developers banned everyone instantly many did not).
i dunno, acting like an intelligent human being usually helps not getting banned

And devs who are actually trying to censor will get karma bite them in the ass soon enough.

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Post edited June 29, 2020 by SmollestLight
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SylvanFae: there's regulation about bots checking threads before allow post itno daylight...and that's all.

There's one guy who lost it's whole library for racist speech. But that's done by moderators.
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Flesh420.613: Was it actually racist or was it racism of the feels type?
Let's see if there's room for ambiguity. From example that was posted the first time he got banned was for making this argument which translates, in slightly encrypted form, to:

"Get effed N-word Facigarette Cluck"

That was the whole sentence.
Post edited June 28, 2020 by Pheace
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Crevurre: Hi,

Has anyone known of the anti-free speech crackdown happening on Steam. It is impossible to make a comment or thread without being banned, now.
No crackdown ever happened, just some trashy site posted a sob story of an idiot who decided to push his luck despite numerous warnings and opportunity given to back off but nope. It has nothing to do with racism other than an asshole being mad that he cannot freely be an asshole and not being punished for it.

Actions have consequences in real life. Disappointing, i know.


word of wise: when you play stupid games, you will win stupid prizes.
Post edited June 28, 2020 by Zetikla
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Zetikla: No crackdown ever happened, just some trashy site posted a sob story of an idiot who decided to push his luck despite numerous warnings and opportunity given to back off but nope. It has nothing to do with racism other than an asshole being mad that he cannot freely be an asshole and not being punished for it.

Actions have consequences in real life. Disappointing, i know.

word of wise: when you play stupid games, you will win stupid prizes.
Yeah even by his own words he just kept going back at support again and again even after repeated warnings not to do so anymore. It's extremely similar of the other game ban we know of of the guy who got himself banned by harassing support.
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Pheace: What was the lie exactly?
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Crevurre: You made it sound like it's always been this way. It hasn't. Only a couple of years ago, you could say anything almost (except some developers banned everyone instantly many did not).
Rubbish,

I got banned from the community forums 6-7 years ago for pointing out that Steam mods were hiding unwanted (anything about SFS being unusable) topics in "hints and tips".
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Wishmaster777: Imagine rape being legal inside of a company, just because it is a private space. I mean, it is your logic, not mine.
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Pheace: There's nothing logical about that comparison, but it's your attempt at it, not mine.
It is your reasoning indeed. A company which resides in any country has to enforce the laws of the country where it has its headquaters. Since Valve is situated in the United States Of America, and the United States Of America has free speech inside of its own constitution, the same law has to be applied in all both public and private services. And just like rape is a punishable offence in the United States Of America, so should be rape punished if it happenes inside of the mentioned private company. It is this basic.
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SylvanFae: there's regulation about bots checking threads before allow post itno daylight...and that's all.

There's one guy who lost it's whole library for racist speech. But that's done by moderators.
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Flesh420.613: Was it actually racist or was it racism of the feels type?
He had some bans before, but ultimately he got last and final ban for racist speech. Which is good thing, since previous warnings and bans made him learn nothing.
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Zetikla: the article OP is referring was on a shitty sensationalist website and the guy in question provocated Steam Support multiple times and had many chances to back off before they had enough of his shenanigans

Then again lets conveniently leave out such details because "DURR STEAM EVIL", right?

I will let you be the judge if you wanna believe the story or not

https:/www.oneangrygamer.net/2020/06/steam-user-loses-game-library-after-valve-perma-bans-him-for-extreme-raci sm/110937/
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SylvanFae: there's regulation about bots checking threads before allow post itno daylight...and that's all.

There's one guy who lost it's whole library for racist speech. But that's done by moderators.
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Zetikla: except no, he didnt

He got banned after provoking staff and moderators multiple times despite multiple warnings and temporary bans

Facts can be a b**
I'm sorry, but he got ban for racism. completely justified, but claiming he got ban for trouble with steam is like claiming cops just don't love you while you steal from houses.
Post edited June 28, 2020 by SylvanFae
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Pheace: There's nothing logical about that comparison, but it's your attempt at it, not mine.
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Wishmaster777: It is your reasoning indeed. A company which resides in any country has to enforce the laws of the country where it has its headquaters. Since Valve is situated in the United States Of America, and the United States Of America has free speech inside of its own constitution, the same law has to be applied in all both public and private services. And just like rape is a punishable offence in the United States Of America, so should be rape punished if it happenes inside of the mentioned private company. It is this basic.
Ow I see, this is based on your misconceptions about American "Free Speech". In the US you're protected from *the government* restricting your free speech. That law does not apply to private entities or individuals.
Well i'm sortoff glad this steam version works a lot better, every shitpost shall be contained and thy name will be set up front!!!!
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Crevurre: Hi,

Has anyone known of the anti-free speech crackdown happening on Steam. It is impossible to make a comment or thread without being banned, now.
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Pheace: By nature that sounds political and political discussions have been banned from Steam since long before any of that. Also, forums don't have free speech, they're private space.
It's a business that's abusing it's position or being threatened by outside forces e.g some american censorship scam.
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Flesh420.613: Was it actually racist or was it racism of the feels type?
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Zetikla: the article OP is referring was on a shitty sensationalist website and the guy in question provocated Steam Support multiple times and had many chances to back off before they had enough of his shenanigans

Then again lets conveniently leave out such details because "DURR STEAM EVIL", right?

I will let you be the judge if you wanna believe the story or not

https:/www.oneangrygamer.net/2020/06/steam-user-loses-game-library-after-valve-perma-bans-him-for-extreme-raci sm/110937/

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Wishmaster777: Imagine rape being legal inside of a company, just because it is a private space. I mean, it is your logic, not mine.
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Zetikla: Are you seriously going down this path of comparing sexual assault with not being able to do whatever you want on someone elses private platform without repercussions?

You are not a very smart cookie, i can tell.
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SylvanFae: there's regulation about bots checking threads before allow post itno daylight...and that's all.

There's one guy who lost it's whole library for racist speech. But that's done by moderators.
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Zetikla: except no, he didnt

He got banned after provoking staff and moderators multiple times despite multiple warnings and temporary bans

Facts can be a b**
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Crevurre: You made it sound like it's always been this way. It hasn't. Only a couple of years ago, you could say anything almost (except some developers banned everyone instantly many did not).
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Zetikla: i dunno, acting like an intelligent human being usually helps not getting banned

And devs who are actually trying to censor will get karma bite them in the ass soon enough.
Hey guys we got a real hater pickup here......that sounds like retaliation and would be contractually illegal.

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Post edited June 29, 2020 by SmollestLight
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Crevurre: Hey guys we got a real hater pickup here......that sounds like retaliation and would be contractually illegal. I'm amazed steam hasn't been raped by lawyers yet.
You're surprised because unlike you, lawyers actually know the law and understand what is a contractual obligation or first amendment violation.
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Crevurre: Hey guys we got a real hater pickup here......that sounds like retaliation and would be contractually illegal. I'm amazed steam hasn't been raped by lawyers yet.
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paladin181: You're surprised because unlike you, lawyers actually know the law and understand what is a contractual obligation or first amendment violation.
I know that nowhere in the contract does it state the company will violate fair treatment of customers and promote arbitrary and unlawful discrimination. Lawyers may roll you in the USA but in other countries there is a semblance of legal purity and not just straight corporate favouritism. I'd like to talk to any lawyer who thinks otherwise.

Protip for you: Lawyers in the USA can't win debates. Only in their phony courts do they "win".
Post edited June 29, 2020 by Crevurre
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Wishmaster777: It is your reasoning indeed. A company which resides in any country has to enforce the laws of the country where it has its headquaters. Since Valve is situated in the United States Of America, and the United States Of America has free speech inside of its own constitution, the same law has to be applied in all both public and private services. And just like rape is a punishable offence in the United States Of America, so should be rape punished if it happenes inside of the mentioned private company. It is this basic.
I'm going to bring some knowledge in this discussion for you, and anyone else who doesn't know. The reason why free speech doesn't apply to private companies is a simple one.

The actual wording of the 1st amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." This means that the federal government cannot make a law that inhibits speech or religion and cannot interfere with the free press or lawful assembly. The 14th amendment further passes this restriction to any state entity.

What this essentially means is that no government actor can inhibit speech in the US. Private companies are not government actors and are entitled to, by virtue of the 1st amendment, their own speech. This includes the limiting of speech that they don't want representing them on their own platform if they are, say, a social media platform. Facebook and Twitter have both come under fire for their left leaning political views and the censorship of some right leaning participants on those platforms. They have been sued under the premise of first amendment violations. All lawsuits have been immediately dismissed due to Facebook and Twitter not being government actors.

So your logic is terribly flawed, sadly. Hopefully this has been educational for you.
Post edited June 29, 2020 by paladin181
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paladin181: So your logic is terribly flawed, sadly. Hopefully this has been educational for you.
Sadly the irony of corporations restricting speech and not believing in free speech is completely lost on you.