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Darvond: But in Windows 10, what more do you need? The definitions of Defender update daily, the whole shebang is integrated into the system, and it does background timer scanning pretty dang good.
It's the only AV I've ever used where I've never noticed the scans. It never bothered asking to update definitions till recently (whether it wasn't doing it or was doing it without asking I don't know) but the first time it did and I let it I noticed it had been regularly scanning automatically and I'd never realised. Which is exactly what I'd want as pretty much every previous AV I've used has meant you can't do a thing while it's scanning (or even updating sometimes) as it slows everything down so much.
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adaliabooks: It's the only AV I've ever used where I've never noticed the scans. It never bothered asking to update definitions till recently (whether it wasn't doing it or was doing it without asking I don't know) but the first time it did and I let it I noticed it had been regularly scanning automatically and I'd never realised. Which is exactly what I'd want as pretty much every previous AV I've used has meant you can't do a thing while it's scanning (or even updating sometimes) as it slows everything down so much.
This sort of system isn't without it's weaknesses of course, but the thing is, most of the weaknesses found today come down to user error. :p
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Darvond: This sort of system isn't without it's weaknesses of course, but the thing is, most of the weaknesses found today come down to user error. :p
This is pretty much my feeling, if you know what you're doing then you're very rarely going to have issues and when you do you can handle them.
Whereas if you don't really know what you're doing you need some really good anti-virus to stop you before you do stupid things...
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adaliabooks: This is pretty much my feeling, if you know what you're doing then you're very rarely going to have issues and when you do you can handle them.
Whereas if you don't really know what you're doing you need some really good anti-virus to stop you before you do stupid things...
Of course, this takes me back to the days when the CDs that came in your cereal boxes would come with an ad for Netnanny and other such hilariously ineffective software.

(Along with attempts to get you on Earthlink, but that might have been Sierra Golf.)
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ZFR: OK, after reading this and a bit more googling, I think I'll try Kaspersky first instead of BitDefender.

I just don't want silent removals and the "we know better what's good for you...". I don't mind false positive, but it should be like:
AV: Threat Detected.
User: Please ignore this file.
AV: OK.
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amok: if you are just trying, then i still recommend looking into Webroot also. it has a months free test
If I have any problems with Kaspersky, I'll keep that in mind.

It doesn't seem to be very well know. It doesn't even figure on many AV comparison sites.
So that rep system of Avast's..... as we all know, such systems work very well.....not.
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amok: if you are just trying, then i still recommend looking into Webroot also. it has a months free test
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ZFR: If I have any problems with Kaspersky, I'll keep that in mind.

It doesn't seem to be very well know. It doesn't even figure on many AV comparison sites.
becuase it works differnetly from most AV software, and their test dont work. PC Mag review - http://uk.pcmag.com/webroot-secureanywhere-internet-security-plus/36643/review/webroot-secureanywhere-internet-security-plus - though it is about the complete thingy, not only the AV.
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ZFR: OK, after reading this and a bit more googling, I think I'll try Kaspersky first instead of BitDefender.

I just don't want silent removals and the "we know better what's good for you...". I don't mind false positive, but it should be like:
AV: Threat Detected.
User: Please ignore this file.
AV: OK.
Good luck. As I wrote above my experienced with "The Evil Russian" (that was the actual company nickname for it - although in a "pet name for my .44 Magnum" way...) a few years back were pretty good (saved our asses a few times), even with really careless users on the network. On the other hand that was a paid business edition, so I don't know of the downsides of free or even paid consumer versions.
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toxicTom: so I don't know of the downsides of free or even paid consumer versions.
If the free version doesn't pull any crap (as in silently make changes; I don't mind pop-ups and the like), I'd be happy to go for the paid version, if it has options that I need and the free version doesn't offer.
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amok: if you are just trying, then i still recommend looking into Webroot also. it has a months free test
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ZFR: If I have any problems with Kaspersky, I'll keep that in mind.

It doesn't seem to be very well know. It doesn't even figure on many AV comparison sites.
I've actually seen it mentioned as having among the best detection rates in past years (and, as I mentioned earlier, I also had a good experience when I made use of the free trial I got with my laptop purchase in 2014). But things can change, of course.
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ZFR: If the free version doesn't pull any crap (as in silently make changes; I don't mind pop-ups and the like), I'd be happy to go for the paid version, if it has options that I need and the free version doesn't offer.
That Facebook scareware scam that Adalia linked above would be a reason not to get Kaspersky though.
ESET is the best.
Another plug for Eset. It's pricey, but it's pretty top of the line and they update for security issues very quickly. Extremely robust. Both big software companies in my town use them and I personally use them as well. Pretty fab.

Just got tired of being screwed by shitty antiviruses
My advice: Go with either Avira or Kaspersky.

Both are great at detection, low resource usage and low false positives and both have a free version. If that satisfies your needs you'll be fine without having to pay for a yearly subscription which most AVs nowadays ask for.
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bhrigu: Kaspersky is a good one.

Also the free version won't include the real time protection elements in most paid AV suites.
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ZFR: Is this from experience? The description seems to say that it does.
https://usa.kaspersky.com/free-antivirus

Anyway, thanks for all the input. I think I'll go with free BitDefender for now and see how well it goes. If it turns out not satisfactory I'll switch to something else.
After checking the related help site, it seems I was wrong. The Kaspersky free seems to include real-time protection.
My bad. Sorry.
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