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1. Are there any laptops that can charge by USB? Preferably not a chromebook, capable of running Linux, and (if possible) capable of acting as a USB device via the charging port.

2. In terms of discrete GPUs, which ones are best if I am concerned about energy efficiency? (Most recommendations seem to be based around raw performance, but high power graphics tend to use a lot of electricity; what if electricity use is the main concern here?)

3. A bit different, but how are graphing calculators from a hacker's/tinkerer's perspective? Specifically, I would want one where I can run ASM code on, and one with a USB connection to the computer (ideally USB OTG). Price is an issue; being usable on standardized tests is explicitly not. (The nice thing about graphing calculators, compared to other embedded devices, is the presence of a screen and keys, plus they have batteries and good battery life.)
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dtgreene: 1. Are there any laptops that can charge by USB? Preferably not a chromebook, capable of running Linux, and (if possible) capable of acting as a USB device via the charging port.
Doing that is fairly new. You need to be looking for USB-C ports:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_60W/100W_USB_chargeable_laptops

Reference links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3170184/laptop-accessories/universal-usb-c-charging-how-the-dream-is-coming-true.html

As to them running linux, not a clue but that will hopefully get you started.
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drmike: Doing that is fairly new. You need to be looking for USB-C ports:
Is there a way to connect the USB-C port to a host or device that only has the more traditional type of USB port?
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drmike: Doing that is fairly new. You need to be looking for USB-C ports:
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dtgreene: Is there a way to connect the USB-C port to a host or device that only has the more traditional type of USB port?
For that you'll need a USB to USB-C cable.
Anyone else have something to say? (I haven't gotten any answers to questions 2 and 3.)

Also, one thing I'm wondering about: If I want a USB flash drive with SSD level performance and durability, what are the most practical options out there? (Of course, I would expect to pay SSD level prices (at least) for such a thing.)
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dtgreene: If I want a USB flash drive with SSD level performance and durability, what are the most practical options out there? (Of course, I would expect to pay SSD level prices (at least) for such a thing.)
I've always considered the flash memory within a USB drive to be a form of SSD:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory

All I have to say to that is to not buy the cheap $5 ones sitting in a fish bowl by a register and made by an unrecognizable company.

edit: Hmmm, USB3 flash drives do appear to be a thing:

https://www.newegg.com/USB-Flash-Drives/SubCategory/ID-522

If you have such a port and are will to pay the cash for them, I'd say go ahead and get one. I know with me, I just buy the basic ones when I need one simply because I'm usually passing it along to someone else local like at the library and that way I don;t have to worry if it's going to work or not.
Post edited April 28, 2018 by drmike
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drmike: If you have such a port and are will to pay the cash for them, I'd say go ahead and get one. I know with me, I just buy the basic ones when I need one simply because I'm usually passing it along to someone else local like at the library and that way I don;t have to worry if it's going to work or not.
Well, it depends on the use case.

If I want to run a system entirely off a USB drive (no hard drive), and I want to do a hard drive install on it (as opposed to using a live CD), then I would want SSD level performance and durability.

On the other hand, if I am just using it to store or transfer files, I probably don't need to pay as much and could just get a cheaper drive. Also, if the device only supports USB 2.0 (like the Raspberry Pi, for example, and slightly older computers), then it wouldn't make sense to pay for such a drive.

It all depends on what you're using it for.

Incidentally, my main reason for making this topic is out of curiosity; I don't currently plan on getting such things mysefl. (Well, maybe the USB charging laptop, if there's a decent (for the price one) for $300 or less that isn't too big.)

(I still don't have an answer to the graphing calculator question, or to the GPU question.)
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dtgreene: Also, one thing I'm wondering about: If I want a USB flash drive with SSD level performance and durability, what are the most practical options out there? (Of course, I would expect to pay SSD level prices (at least) for such a thing.)
Maybe WD My Passport SSD?
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dtgreene: Also, one thing I'm wondering about: If I want a USB flash drive with SSD level performance and durability, what are the most practical options out there? (Of course, I would expect to pay SSD level prices (at least) for such a thing.)
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ariaspi: Maybe WD My Passport SSD?
I have the WD drives. Those are the ones that are hardware with a computer card encrypted.

If the case breaks, it;s almost impossible to recover the drive.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/wd-my-book-drives-and-encryption-automatically-enabled.2460318/
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drmike: I have the WD drives. Those are the ones that are hardware with a computer card encrypted.

If the case breaks, it;s almost impossible to recover the drive.

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/wd-my-book-drives-and-encryption-automatically-enabled.2460318/
Thanks for the info. I also have a few WD drives. Luckily, I don't travell with them, so are safe in my house.
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dtgreene: 1. Are there any laptops that can charge by USB? Preferably not a chromebook, capable of running Linux, and (if possible) capable of acting as a USB device via the charging port.
Specs for USB output is 5V, so assuming laptops need less than 5V to run, then sure... Otherwise I'm going to hanker a guess and say 'probably not'. (although maybe charging is still possible but you can't run it at the same time... and be an all night affair)

One that does come to mind that RUNS on a micro USB is the Raspberry Pi; Alas has no battery to charge, and fails to have a built-in monitor/keyboard/mouse/screen or the like. As a minimal computer it's fine, but probably not what you want.
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Post edited April 29, 2018 by vidsgame
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dtgreene: 1. Are there any laptops that can charge by USB? Preferably not a chromebook, capable of running Linux, and (if possible) capable of acting as a USB device via the charging port.

2. In terms of discrete GPUs, which ones are best if I am concerned about energy efficiency? (Most recommendations seem to be based around raw performance, but high power graphics tend to use a lot of electricity; what if electricity use is the main concern here?)

3. A bit different, but how are graphing calculators from a hacker's/tinkerer's perspective? Specifically, I would want one where I can run ASM code on, and one with a USB connection to the computer (ideally USB OTG). Price is an issue; being usable on standardized tests is explicitly not. (The nice thing about graphing calculators, compared to other embedded devices, is the presence of a screen and keys, plus they have batteries and good battery life.)
1. That Wikipedia list seems like the best and gives you an idea of what type of laptops these are. It seems a lot of them are from Lenovo and are tablets but they should be able to run Linux. That list also seems to be very recently updated so it seems that right now, that is still the case.

2. In terms of discrete GPUs you're going have to sacrifice some performance for better power efficiency from what I've seen but I maybe wrong as I'm fairly new to building PC but from the two years of looking into these, I've found that Mini itx form factor GPUs have great power efficiency and very little sacrifice of performance for example, this. However, in case you are really concerned about power consumption, a GTX 1050 ti or really any GTX 1050 have great power efficiency with great gaming performance, especially the low profile versions of the 1050. You could even go with a GTX 1060 with an noticeably better performance with a little bit more power consumption. However, both are great options in case power is your main concern.

3. So far I've found two that _might_:
Ti-89 Titanium

Ti-84 CE.

According to this, you could run a usb flash drive on a Ti-84 plus.

4. For a USB SSD external drive I'd go with just getting an SSD of your choice and getting an enclosure that supports USB 3.1 like the Patriot Gauntlet 4 and this enclosure as well. Now you have one of the best external SSDs ever and in addition you could even use the enclosure for hard drives and other SSDs. Assuming they are all small (2.5 inch).
Post edited April 29, 2018 by vidsgame
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dtgreene: 2. In terms of discrete GPUs, which ones are best if I am concerned about energy efficiency? (Most recommendations seem to be based around raw performance, but high power graphics tend to use a lot of electricity; what if electricity use is the main concern here?)
This is not a direct answer to your question, just a general remark. Part or all of it may be bullshit, but who cares.

I think with mobile discrete GPUs the laptop vendors are more concerned about the heat generation of the GPU, rather than how much power it uses. Of course these are partly related: in order to fight the heat, either you use lower power GPUs, or make the ventilation of the laptop better (which in itself may use more power too as better when you start adding several fans that spin faster; e.g. my gaming laptop has two fans, one near the GPU and the other near the CPU).

That is why most laptops have another GPU as well, a lower power Intel HD or such. So the general idea seems to be that if you are going to run so demanding applications/games that the discrete GPU is needed, you should be plugged in anyway, not on battery power. If you are on battery power, the assumption is you will be running less demanding software (e.g. office applications etc.) for which the integrated low-power GPU is enough (e.g. Intel HD).

As for your actual question, generally speaking the newer the mobile GPU is, the more power efficient it seems to be. This doesn't necessarily mean it uses less power, it can also mean it is faster using the same amount of power as its predecessor.

This may exclude the very top-end mobile GPUs of each generation; for them the idea quite often seems to have been to be as fast as possible, even if that makes them more power hungry. With a few steps lower on the line, with GPUs that are new revisions of older models, the idea seems to have been to improve their power efficiency (rather than their raw performance), maybe so that they can be installed on smaller laptops too and not just the biggest 15.6" and 17.3" laptops with better ventilation.

I am unsure how power efficient the latest NVidia Geforce 1xxx GPUs are, the ones which don't have the "M" at the end of the name signifying they are specifically mobile GPUs. The little I've read about them, at least the top models do require very good ventilation on the laptop, implying they use quite a lot of power (hence the heat generation). On the flipside, they are also quite powerful, offering pretty much desktop-level GPU power.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/ may offer the data for you, at least they usually point out how much power each GPU uses. Not sure if they let one to sort all the mobile GPUs by their power usage, and then try to pick ones which seem to offer high raw power for relatively low power usage.

Not sure if Notebookcheck has an user forum, maybe it would be a good place to ask?


EDIT: It also occurred to me that crypto currency miners have probably some idea of this, as they are so concerned about getting as much GPU power for certain amount of electricity, in order to break even (and then some). But I guess they mostly use desktop-level GPUs, not mobile GPUs specifically. Not sure if there are some crypto-currency forums where users are discussing about this, which GPUs give the best performance for their electricity bill?

Is that why you are asking, starting a bitcoin mining farm? :)
Post edited April 29, 2018 by timppu
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timppu: Not sure if Notebookcheck has an user forum, maybe it would be a good place to ask?
Linkie: https://www.notebookchat.com/

Weird that I don;t see a link along their top menu but their Most Recent Treads are along the right hand side towards the bottom of the front page.