Where I live now, the amount of time required for finding an acceptable joystick doesn't worth the effort.
Ah! ok, I'm not sure what happens in Ecuador so you'll have to forgive my ignorance there ;)
I asked the question because last year, I wanted to buy a joystick here (China), I told the guy what I was looking for but he came back with a joystick for fighting games. I told the guy I was looking for a joystick for flight simulators and he told me people don't usually buy joysticks like this anymore. Considering people here like playing garbage on mobile phones, I can see where the guy was coming from.
It took a while but I still got my joystick :)
Besides this, i got the two games now. Thanks for the recommendations.
If you do find a good joystick, I strongly recommend you pick one up. Dogfighting dragon class fighters are a nightmare without a joystick.
Regardless, enjoy your games, I'm sure you won't be disappointed :)