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StingingVelvet: Pretty far in now and it's funny how the game starts with in your face nudity during character creation and the first real mission, but then you pretty much never see it after that. It only really annoyed me during the shower scene of the main story though, where V is wearing underwear while taking a shower for no reason.

I'd assume this was a balancing act with the ESRB in some way.
It can't be because the esrb is supposed to be sent a copy of the game and all 'mature' content before release so they saw everything. I doubt they added more nudity after the fact because then it would have to get rerated.
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Herbstpoet: Wow, way to go CDPR. I still haven't bought the game and still play it via family library on Steam as long as my cousin isn't playing and I was actually planning to buy it next year but I think I will wait until there is a GOTY edition for sale for 20€ at best. Or maybe I'll never buy it. I still haven't bought Witcher 3 for PC because of so many issues like the rebinding shit.

Also, there is one point in the 1.05 patch notes that makes me wonder if they censored even more.

"V appears more modest in the inventory preview after the half year montage ;)"

What the hell is that supposed to mean?
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JAD2012: I believe that it's just how your character looks after the montage, so it doesn't appear naked? I don't know, but nudity in the inventory hasn't been changed.

What really bothers me is stuff like this. Look at these strippers, man. Do you really think they modeled, designed regular NPC's to be displayed as strippers? I don't think so:
Those guys in FULL suits and girls in dresses are supposed to be strippers???

I haven't made it to jig jig street yet, but I went into the Dicky Twister and noticed the strippers all looked like they walked in off the street and walked directly onto the stage in their regular street clothes. Wife beaters, baggy shorts, pants etc Yet on the wall, there is a neon penis that goes from flaccid to erect, over and over. The wall art is far more interesting than the "strippers" on the stage. Its odd because I know the game has sexy clothes in its files. The male joytoy has those see through shorts and underneath them is wearing speedos or a thong or something. They could have put those on the Dicky Twister strippers at the very least, but they didn't. We shouldn't have to pretend that the strippers are strippers in a video game like this. I dunno, maybe the game IS trolling us like some have speculated.
Post edited December 20, 2020 by DarkZephyr
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scrubking: It can't be because the esrb is supposed to be sent a copy of the game and all 'mature' content before release so they saw everything. I doubt they added more nudity after the fact because then it would have to get rerated.
I more meant that maybe there was a limit on how much nudity they could use without getting an AO rating, and they used it all up front to set a tone.
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scrubking: It can't be because the esrb is supposed to be sent a copy of the game and all 'mature' content before release so they saw everything. I doubt they added more nudity after the fact because then it would have to get rerated.
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StingingVelvet: I more meant that maybe there was a limit on how much nudity they could use without getting an AO rating, and they used it all up front to set a tone.
They bent the knee against the puritan conservative ESRB, SIE/Microsoft or whoever decided seeing our naked bodies in the shower was too much.

Kind of sad... but it's even more sad that CD Projekt is covering this up with massive post deletion and account banning on their forums. No media is speaking about this either, and I only seem to find people concerned about this in here and CD Projekt's forum. There are no reddit posts, no twitter posts... The only censorship that people talk/ask about is regional censorship (Japan, arabic countries...), not the censorship CD Projekt is applying to the game after release for Europe, even if it's a ESRB issue alone.
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JAD2012: They bent the knee against the puritan conservative ESRB, SIE/Microsoft or whoever decided seeing our naked bodies in the shower was too much.
I mean, if those people demanded limited nudity there's very little CDPR could have done. If they didn't "bend the knee" their game wouldn't have come out on consoles, or wouldn't be sold in stores, or whatever else. It's like movies... technically you can tell the MPAA to take a flying leap and make an X rated movie, but then very few places will show it.
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JAD2012: Couldn't tell for sure, one thing is certain, CD Projekt is pretty much censoring this conversation over the CD Projekt forums. They literally want to hide this whole issue under the rug. Thousands of posts are being hidden and deleted. I shit you not.
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dgnfly: Scumbags aren't they? I got a 2-week ban on their forum for stating this.
A better question would be. why are the mods closing down every thread even remotely talking about this form of censorship? I think about 4 threads were already closed when people discussed it with some weak excuse of being rude or accusations that turned out to be true if you read gaming sites where they said there would be a lot of upfront nudity.
Polygon article.
"Badowski said that in the final game, his team intends to have full nudity, not for shock value but because it supports one of the most important themes in the cyberpunk genre: transhumanism, the belief that humanity can transcend its current mental and physical form with the help of technology. Throughout Cyberpunk 2077, players will have to grapple with what it means for them personally to become transhuman, and one of the pieces of imagery the team plans to use is nudity."
Did CDPR go woke and are now acting like 4yo when people even discuss these facts? seeing as you're not even allowed to have a debate about it without the thread being locked. Draconifors should change their username to Draconian law.
this post will most likely also be deleted cause who in this day and age could even remotely cope with criticism.
They really went beyond the woke barrier. At least their precious woke crowd is now thrashing them also for not pandering enough.
well this thread has been up and on the 1st page for 8 days here so that's bullshit about CDPR or GOG deleting or "censoring" these threads about censorship. I still also see multiple threads about it every day on CDPR forums. if this is happening it's probably because too many idiots are creating multiple threads about the exact same issue where the exact same people post the exact same thing over and over.

yes, it sucks that the censored version has been forced upon all buyers. but, making it out to be some big conspiracy is just paranoid bullsh*t.

hopefully with enough of us complaining eventually the censorship options in the menu will actually be of use and the explicit content will be available for those of us that want it...at least by the time some of us may be starting a 2nd playthrough anyway.

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recently went through the "Queen of the Highway" mission and the sex scene in the Basilisk is ridiculous. at the beginning the two are in the driver seat where there is a bit more field of view and they appear to be having sex with their clothes on without even moving her unitard out the way or unzipping V's pants. when they switch to the passenger seat, where the field of view is much less, their clothes have magically disappeared but with the angles and the camera all of sudden getting all distorted you still can barely see anything going on.
but it still reminded me more of two adolescents making out than adults admitting their love.
[/spoiler]

the scenes in The Witcher 3 were much more vivid and racy and actually added a lot of feeling to the idea of the romance.
Post edited December 21, 2020 by GObonzo
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JAD2012: Couldn't tell for sure, one thing is certain, CD Projekt is pretty much censoring this conversation over the CD Projekt forums. They literally want to hide this whole issue under the rug. Thousands of posts are being hidden and deleted. I shit you not.
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GObonzo: well this thread has been up and on the 1st page for 8 days so that's bullshit about CDPR or GOG deleting or "censoring" these threads about censorship. if this is happening it's probably because too many idiots are creating multiple threads about the exact same issue where the exact same people post the exact same thing over and over.

yes, it sucks that the censored version has been forced upon all buyers. but, making it out to be some big conspiracy is just paranoid bullsh*t.

hopefully with enough of us complaining eventually the censorship options in the menu will actually be of use and the explicit content will be available for those of us that want it...at least by the time some of us may be starting a 2nd playthrough anyway.

[spoiler]
recently went through the "Queen of the Highway" mission and the sex scene in the Basilisk is ridiculous. at the beginning the two are in the driver seat where there is a bit more field of view and they appear to be having sex with their clothes on without even moving her unitard out the way or unzipping V's pants. when they switch to the passenger seat, where the field of view is much less, their clothes have magically disappeared but with the angles and the camera all of sudden getting all distorted you still can barely see anything going on.
but it still reminded me more of two adolescents making out than adults admitting their love.
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the scenes in The Witcher 3 were much more vivid and racy and actually added a lot of feeling to the idea of the romance.
I don't know why I'm so irritated by the censorship in this game. If I want to see nudity there are so many other ways to go about doing it. And I was never angry about the lack of nudity in other games. But I am just right p*ssed off about this. Perhaps its because I had anticipated the nudity for so long and completely expected it only to have an experience that flew in the face of those expectations. I also expected differently from CDPR in general, so its kind of sad.
Post edited December 20, 2020 by DarkZephyr
I agree with both previous posters - the sex scenes could have just been edited out altogether and replaced with a dark screen of people moaning if they wanted to avoid the subject of nudity altogether. Why, or why do you need to censor this MATURE DARK WORLD so much harder than the fantasy world of the Witcher??? These scenes and the whole way sex is handled in this game is meaningless, tasteless and add nothing to the immersion. The green coloured scene is just plain sad.
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JAD2012: Couldn't tell for sure, one thing is certain, CD Projekt is pretty much censoring this conversation over the CD Projekt forums. They literally want to hide this whole issue under the rug. Thousands of posts are being hidden and deleted. I shit you not.
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GObonzo: well this thread has been up and on the 1st page for 8 days so that's bullshit about CDPR or GOG deleting or "censoring" these threads about censorship. if this is happening it's probably because too many idiots are creating multiple threads about the exact same issue where the exact same people post the exact same thing over and over.

yes, it sucks that the censored version has been forced upon all buyers. but, making it out to be some big conspiracy is just paranoid bullsh*t.

hopefully with enough of us complaining eventually the censorship options in the menu will actually be of use and the explicit content will be available for those of us that want it...at least by the time some of us may be starting a 2nd playthrough anyway.

the scenes in The Witcher 3 were much more vivid and racy and actually added a lot of feeling to the idea of the romance.
No, there aren't many "idiots" creating the same thread, there are mods CLOSING threads, FORCING people to create it again, that's what happened.

There was a thread with over 300 repplies, they closed it. People tried to create a few more, I stepped in and made a SUGGESTION and it became the "nudity megathread" and it reached, once again, 300 repplies of people complaining about censorship, then mods once again, closed it.

Later that day, mods started to delete conversations and posts that were alive and well for more than 4 days, all about concerns regarding what's going on. It's not "conspiracy bullshit", it's pretty much what happened. Now you aren't allowed to bring up this topic again because they made their own post, censoring everything that was already published prior, like my post with over 100 quotes of people sharing their concerns. You are free to believe what you want, I don't care...

Gog.com seems a much more peaceful place in that regard, but it's also very much abandoned and has way less activity since you get linked to the CD Projekt forums from your Gog Galaxy Cyberpunk 2077 game page.
Post edited December 21, 2020 by JAD2012
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dgnfly: Scumbags aren't they? I got a 2-week ban on their forum for stating this.
A better question would be. why are the mods closing down every thread even remotely talking about this form of censorship? I think about 4 threads were already closed when people discussed it with some weak excuse of being rude or accusations that turned out to be true if you read gaming sites where they said there would be a lot of upfront nudity.
Polygon article.
"Badowski said that in the final game, his team intends to have full nudity, not for shock value but because it supports one of the most important themes in the cyberpunk genre: transhumanism, the belief that humanity can transcend its current mental and physical form with the help of technology. Throughout Cyberpunk 2077, players will have to grapple with what it means for them personally to become transhuman, and one of the pieces of imagery the team plans to use is nudity."
Did CDPR go woke and are now acting like 4yo when people even discuss these facts? seeing as you're not even allowed to have a debate about it without the thread being locked. Draconifors should change their username to Draconian law.
this post will most likely also be deleted cause who in this day and age could even remotely cope with criticism.
They really went beyond the woke barrier. At least their precious woke crowd is now thrashing them also for not pandering enough.
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GObonzo: well this thread has been up and on the 1st page for 8 days here so that's bullshit about CDPR or GOG deleting or "censoring" these threads about censorship. I still also see multiple threads about it every day on CDPR forums. if this is happening it's probably because too many idiots are creating multiple threads about the exact same issue where the exact same people post the exact same thing over and over.

yes, it sucks that the censored version has been forced upon all buyers. but, making it out to be some big conspiracy is just paranoid bullsh*t.

hopefully with enough of us complaining eventually the censorship options in the menu will actually be of use and the explicit content will be available for those of us that want it...at least by the time some of us may be starting a 2nd playthrough anyway.

[spoiler]
recently went through the "Queen of the Highway" mission and the sex scene in the Basilisk is ridiculous. at the beginning the two are in the driver seat where there is a bit more field of view and they appear to be having sex with their clothes on without even moving her unitard out the way or unzipping V's pants. when they switch to the passenger seat, where the field of view is much less, their clothes have magically disappeared but with the angles and the camera all of sudden getting all distorted you still can barely see anything going on.
but it still reminded me more of two adolescents making out than adults admitting their love.
[/spoiler]

the scenes in The Witcher 3 were much more vivid and racy and actually added a lot of feeling to the idea of the romance.
If you were actually there at the start you'd see that they kept closing them constantly, they only kept one up cause they got tired of closing them, They even keep threatening to close the one big thread that was created so they didn't have to go deleting every person reopening one.

Simply questioning why they kept closing them like 4yo gets you banned. They just didn't expect so many people to push back against all the nudity censorship.

Actually, on GOG you'd normally get banned already for just debating politics which means their mods are having their hands full with all the refunds.
Post edited December 21, 2020 by dgnfly
I'm curious if anyone can confirm that the 1.04 patch did indeed censor the strippers and advertising. I'm hearing all sorts of things but no one has posted screens to confirm.
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scrubking: I'm curious if anyone can confirm that the 1.04 patch did indeed censor the strippers and advertising. I'm hearing all sorts of things but no one has posted screens to confirm.
Strippers were already censored in 1.03.
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midrand: I agree with both previous posters - the sex scenes could have just been edited out altogether and replaced with a dark screen of people moaning if they wanted to avoid the subject of nudity altogether. Why, or why do you need to censor this MATURE DARK WORLD so much harder than the fantasy world of the Witcher??? These scenes and the whole way sex is handled in this game is meaningless, tasteless and add nothing to the immersion. The green coloured scene is just plain sad.
Speaking of immersion; when I walk into a store around Christmas I expect the shop or shopping mall to make it a pleasant stay, and have done something that makes me in the mood for Christmas and thus make me shop more.

That's basic psychology right there.

When I went to this cloud center looking for Evelyn, I expected to walk into something that people at least enjoyed and liked to go to this "exclusive hotel".

The joytoy you're paired with just talked you into sleep (and there's only two choices, a feminine or masculine girl, not a feminine man or a masculine man). Seriously, you're not there to sleep, and why not have fun while working undercover? Again, the dialogue choices are severely limited (or options in general).

Worst is, all the rooms where empty, with the exception of three - In one there was someone sleeping, in one there's a woman "womansplaining" to a customer (like that woman outside of Wokado are verbally demeaning to a man, when you're with Taka to get some plans. It's the EXACT scripted NPC behavior), and in one there was a joytoy standing and hitting a customer on loop.

(You can see this by scanning the room.)

Not one were enjoying themselves, not even up in the VIP area... It was more of a depressing club for the depressed, and all you wanted to enjoy was just out of reach...

Again (trying without direct spoiler here), later I saw this man seeing a bunch of advertisements for joy-toys on the screen. Everyone was represented, except older males. It's a biological fact that men are sexually active longer than females.

The more I play the more I see lack of effort to make the player really enjoy the game. In Fallout and other games the elements that makes it such a great immersion and atmosphere are already there, and I never missed it too much, until now.

CDPR wasn't afraid of nudity and sex in Witcher 3. Another company fearing nudity, but not explicit violence...
Post edited December 21, 2020 by sanscript
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midrand: I agree with both previous posters - the sex scenes could have just been edited out altogether and replaced with a dark screen of people moaning if they wanted to avoid the subject of nudity altogether. Why, or why do you need to censor this MATURE DARK WORLD so much harder than the fantasy world of the Witcher??? These scenes and the whole way sex is handled in this game is meaningless, tasteless and add nothing to the immersion. The green coloured scene is just plain sad.
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sanscript: Speaking of immersion; when I walk into a store around Christmas I expect the shop or shopping mall to make it a pleasant stay, and have done something that makes me in the mood for Christmas and thus make me shop more.

That's basic psychology right there.

When I went to this cloud center looking for Evelyn, I expected to walk into something that people at least enjoyed and liked to go to this "exclusive hotel".

The joytoy you're paired with just talked you into sleep (and there's only two choices, a feminine or masculine girl, not a feminine man or a masculine man). Seriously, you're not there to sleep, and why not have fun while working undercover? Again, the dialogue choices are severely limited (or options in general).

Worst is, all the rooms where empty, with the exception of three - In one there was someone sleeping, in one there's a woman "womansplaining" to a customer (like that woman outside of Wokado are verbally demeaning to a man, when you're with Taka to get some plans. It's the EXACT scripted NPC behavior), and in one there was a joytoy standing and hitting a customer on loop.

(You can see this by scanning the room.)

Not one were enjoying themselves, not even up in the VIP area... It was more of a depressing club for the depressed, and all you wanted to enjoy was just out of reach...

Again (trying without direct spoiler here), later I saw this man seeing a bunch of advertisements for joy-toys on the screen. Everyone was represented, except older males. It's a biological fact that men are sexually active longer than females.

The more I play the more I see lack of effort to make the player really enjoy the game. In Fallout and other games the elements that makes it such a great immersion and atmosphere are already there, and I never missed it too much, until now.

CDPR wasn't afraid of nudity and sex in Witcher 3. Another company fearing nudity, but not explicit violence...
I skipped some parts of your post because I haven't advanced a lot in the story yet, but I totally agree with your view.

It seems to be a lot of gaming companies are bowing their heads in favor to much more conservative and prudish conception of the human body, sex and nudity. the "all ages", "family friendly" bullshit that (I'm very sorry to say this) america is so used to.

Funny thing about this is that, as you said, violence is always okay for them. Check Mortal Kombat 11, that game is totally okay for a kid to play, their parents won't really say anything and will allow kids to get it. Doesn't matter that skulls get graphically smashed nor ribs teared appart in close-up shots. That's totally okay.

This has always been the double moral of the american conservatives, it will never change. Guns, violence is okay. Nudity? Not so much, we must protect our children.
Post edited December 22, 2020 by JAD2012
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sanscript: Speaking of immersion; when I walk into a store around Christmas I expect the shop or shopping mall to make it a pleasant stay, and have done something that makes me in the mood for Christmas and thus make me shop more.

That's basic psychology right there.

When I went to this cloud center looking for Evelyn, I expected to walk into something that people at least enjoyed and liked to go to this "exclusive hotel".

The joytoy you're paired with just talked you into sleep (and there's only two choices, a feminine or masculine girl, not a feminine man or a masculine man). Seriously, you're not there to sleep, and why not have fun while working undercover? Again, the dialogue choices are severely limited (or options in general).

Worst is, all the rooms where empty, with the exception of three - In one there was someone sleeping, in one there's a woman "womansplaining" to a customer (like that woman outside of Wokado are verbally demeaning to a man, when you're with Taka to get some plans. It's the EXACT scripted NPC behavior), and in one there was a joytoy standing and hitting a customer on loop.

(You can see this by scanning the room.)

Not one were enjoying themselves, not even up in the VIP area... It was more of a depressing club for the depressed, and all you wanted to enjoy was just out of reach...

Again (trying without direct spoiler here), later I saw this man seeing a bunch of advertisements for joy-toys on the screen. Everyone was represented, except older males. It's a biological fact that men are sexually active longer than females.

The more I play the more I see lack of effort to make the player really enjoy the game. In Fallout and other games the elements that makes it such a great immersion and atmosphere are already there, and I never missed it too much, until now.

CDPR wasn't afraid of nudity and sex in Witcher 3. Another company fearing nudity, but not explicit violence...
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JAD2012: I skipped some parts of your post because I haven't advanced a lot in the story yet, but I totally agree with your view.

It seems to be a lot of gaming companies are bowing their heads in favor to much more conservative and prudish conception of the human body, sex and nudity. the "all ages", "family friendly" bullshit that (I'm very sorry to say this) america is so used to.

Funny thing about this is that, as you said, violence is always okay for them. Check Mortal Kombat 11, that game is totally okay for a kid to play, their parents won't really say anything and will allow kids to get it. Doesn't matter that skulls get graphically smashed nor ribs teared appart in close-up shots. That's totally okay.

This has always been the double moral of the american conservatives, it will never change. Guns, violence is okay. Nudity? Not so much, we must protect our children.
Actually, this has little to do with the conservatives this time and more to do with the new "WOKE" morality.
This new Woke morality sees nudity as objectifying women in general but they could care less about how men are portrayed. This is kinda like when you see games that portray violence to women get this huge mega outrage but when men are beaten to death it's supposed to be normal.

The whole reason why mortal kombat needed to be changed was done by woke morons that felt that the older characters objectified women and made them look like glorified sex objects it had nothing to do with conservatism.
https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/04/22/jaxs-mortal-kombat-11-ending-im-not-waiting-centuries-for-people-to-get-woke/

Conservatives might not be the most open to nudity but this new generation of censorships aren't coming from them this time but mostly from the left and the puritanical one with that I mean the nutjob feminists and left-wing SJW nutjobs.

These new mentally ill concepts of what is or isn't objectification or any other so-called PC culture crap is now even being enforced by Japanese devs so the left doesn't take offense at something and they constantly triggered nowadays.

Seriously only the left could be so triggered by words in general that they need to bullshit translation for a game.
https://archive.is/M54hp

The left has truly become the party of the mentally ill.

Kinda makes me wonder if the game actually flopped cause it did a Mass effect, Andromeda.
Post edited December 23, 2020 by dgnfly