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Dear CD Project Red,

You guys are the awesome. The Witcher 1, 2 and 3 were awesome. Hearts of Stone is one of the best DLCs of all time. The way you sell games on GOG is awesome. you are clearly gamers yourself and your genuine passion for what you are doing is unmistakable. You love this hobby because you grew up in this hobby, just like 90%+ of your customers.

You've come a long way guys and now you're in a position where you have the financial independence to allow your designers the independence to keep making incredible games without huge corporations like EA buying you up and destroying you.

So with that in mind, please please please don't let politics derail Cyber Punk 2077. Please don't let the new class of "game journalists" who don't even like gaming tell you how to make a game. Please don't let tiny minorities of social activists (most of whom will never buy your game anyways) fundamentally change your vision. Please avoid pressure from political activists posing as "gamers" just to try to insert their belief systems into your game.

Please just make an awesome game.

Thanks.
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PanzerFranzz: Please don't let tiny minorities of social activists (most of whom will never buy your game anyways) fundamentally change your vision. Please avoid pressure from political activists posing as "gamers" just to try to insert their belief systems into your game.
[sigh]

edit: i must have dreamed playing all those games
Post edited April 18, 2020 by lace_gardenia
Yet another guy who doesn't understand how all art is political crying at even the possibility that it might disagree with him. The cyberpunk genre is literally political by nature, the whole point of it's inception was to dispel the idea that social ills can be cured with high technology; the game will prominently feature mega-corporations as antagonists in all likelihood and will make commentary on class and wealth disparity. We can't know for certain but there probably will be plenty of other things the game has to say on numerous modern political controversies, probably at least gender given how they already confirmed that they aren't going to have some kind of a binary choice whatever that means.

Keep living in a fantasy world where the real reason why art is changing with the time is some kind of conspiracy, i'm sure that CD Projekt Red will surely include all the things they choose to talk about only because they believe that games journalists who definitely don't actually play games have to be pleased.
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RoadTheExile: Yet another guy who doesn't understand how all art is political crying at even the possibility that it might disagree with him. The cyberpunk genre is literally political by nature, the whole point of it's inception was to dispel the idea that social ills can be cured with high technology; the game will prominently feature mega-corporations as antagonists in all likelihood and will make commentary on class and wealth disparity. We can't know for certain but there probably will be plenty of other things the game has to say on numerous modern political controversies, probably at least gender given how they already confirmed that they aren't going to have some kind of a binary choice whatever that means.

Keep living in a fantasy world where the real reason why art is changing with the time is some kind of conspiracy, i'm sure that CD Projekt Red will surely include all the things they choose to talk about only because they believe that games journalists who definitely don't actually play games have to be pleased.
not OP but

1 I disagree with "ALL art is political", sure art can be political but that's like saying "ALL cartoons are for children.

2 yes, thhe game may be political. Infact if it stays true to the lore it might touch on the damage that PC culture does in that timeline. I remember seeing a screenshot of an excerpt about the history of cyberpunk from a manual (it wasn't flattering to Social Justice)

3 keep living in the echo chamber where you don't see a small group have the privilege to silence the majority just by using labels that don't fit who they are applied to against their will.
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Rusty_Gunn: 3 keep living in the echo chamber where you don't see a small group have the privilege to silence the majority just by using labels that don't fit who they are applied to against their will.
[citation needed]
Post edited May 05, 2020 by lace_gardenia
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Rusty_Gunn: 3 keep living in the echo chamber where you don't see a small group have the privilege to silence the majority just by using labels that don't fit who they are applied to against their will.
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lace_gardenia: [citation needed]
a big part of the Pop Culture on the internet this past decade

A guy can say (a movie with a female lead/predominately female cast) doesn't appeal to him & in this day and age better prepare to be told "He hates womyn." by some very nasty peeps. for example. & yet be "blasted" again for liking another movie with a female lead.

Cries of "...ist's", "...ism's", "....phobic's" & the four-letter N-word has been applied to many people in the past few years that those terms are (to me) de-fanged.
Just so you know the man who created Cyberpunk 2020 and who was instrumental in 2077 said:

Somebody asked me a while back if Cyberpunk was political and I said inherently it is always political” ~Mike Pondsmith

You cant have a Cyberpunk game without intense heavily political notes... this will blow anything you've played out of the water when it comes to politics.

If you want to figure out whats up get the source books, and read up... worth every second of your time I promise!
Post edited May 06, 2020 by Starkrun
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RoadTheExile: Yet another guy who doesn't understand how all art is political crying at even the possibility that it might disagree with him. The cyberpunk genre is literally political by nature, the whole point of it's inception was to dispel the idea that social ills can be cured with high technology; the game will prominently feature mega-corporations as antagonists in all likelihood and will make commentary on class and wealth disparity. We can't know for certain but there probably will be plenty of other things the game has to say on numerous modern political controversies, probably at least gender given how they already confirmed that they aren't going to have some kind of a binary choice whatever that means.

Keep living in a fantasy world where the real reason why art is changing with the time is some kind of conspiracy, i'm sure that CD Projekt Red will surely include all the things they choose to talk about only because they believe that games journalists who definitely don't actually play games have to be pleased.
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Rusty_Gunn: 2 yes, thhe game may be political. Infact if it stays true to the lore it might touch on the damage that PC culture does in that timeline. I remember seeing a screenshot of an excerpt about the history of cyberpunk from a manual (it wasn't flattering to Social Justice)

3 keep living in the echo chamber where you don't see a small group have the privilege to silence the majority just by using labels that don't fit who they are applied to against their will.
Oh yeah, I'm living in the echo chamber but also even just the hint of a disagreement sends you recoiling in disgust. This whole idea is the biggest example of a group of people trying to will a mantra into existence; pretty much all leftist thought only makes sense trying to confront alternative ideas about society, to challenge this or that; on the other hand reactionary thought were you lose your shit because someone implies maybe gender isn't a binary or that a woman can be a better fighter than a man or something even more silly only makes sense within the context of an echo chamber.

I'm sure you do some history of cyberpunk manual that is "unflattering" in the same way that you wish Marvel would stop being SJW trash and go back to their roots. You can't even bring yourselves to embrace the idea of context without all your concerns falling to pieces.

This is also kind of an example of how all art is political, although I admit that's a pretty abstract view, but like in this example where OP is crying that art might challenge his perspectives of the world the absence of certain themes becomes a political statement in and of itself.
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Starkrun: Just do you know the man who created Cyberpunk 2020 and was instrumental in 2077 said

Somebody asked me a while back if Cyberpunk was political and I said inherently it is always political” ~Mike Pondsmith

You cant have a Cyberpunk game without intense heavily political notes... this will blow anything you've plaid out of the water when ti comes to politics.

If you want to figure out whats up get the source books, and read up... worth every second of your time I promise!
What's even relevant? I don't know if things have changed between editions or something; weren't they putting out some kind of lore book in June or something?
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lace_gardenia: [citation needed]
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Rusty_Gunn: a big part of the Pop Culture on the internet this past decade

A guy can say (a movie with a female lead/predominately female cast) doesn't appeal to him & in this day and age better prepare to be told "He hates womyn." by some very nasty peeps. for example. & yet be "blasted" again for liking another movie with a female lead.

Cries of "...ist's", "...ism's", "....phobic's" & the four-letter N-word has been applied to many people in the past few years that those terms are (to me) de-fanged.
I've extremely active in political leftist groups and I have never heard any of that shit, heard plenty of people bitching about it. Maybe... maybe... just maybe....... you're in an echo chamber that perpetuates that myth in a desperate plea to have an element of persecution you can unite around? Never heard ANYONE say "Ghost Busters? Naw, not really my jam" and heard in response "WHAT? YOU MALE PIG! YOU HATE WOMYN!!!!!!" I didn't care about Ghost Busters, I also didn't scour Twitter for tweets with 1 like telling me that made me a bad person. Funny how that works.

But like Lace asked for a citation and your response was basically "come on, everyone knows X happens!" which kind of goes to show that you can't actually back this up.
Post edited May 06, 2020 by RoadTheExile
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RoadTheExile: What's even relevant? I don't know if things have changed between editions or something; weren't they putting out some kind of lore book in June or something?
Cyberpunk Red Jumpstart Kit is what your looking for, it bridges the gap between 2020 and 2077. You can get it for around $10 right now ignore the $30 tag on the link.

The 4th Corporate War’s over and the big dogs have retreated to their corners to lick their wounds. That leaves everyone else to fend for themselves in a shattered world.

And that’s just fine. ‘cause you’ve got interface plugs in your wrists, metal in your limbs, and chips in your skull. You’re wired in, loaded with chrome, and ready to take it to the Edge.

There’s a world full of opportunities out there. Maybe this time you can do more than save yourself. Maybe.

The Cyberpunk Red Jumpstart Kit is the perfect introduction to the newest edition of the classic Cyberpunk tabletop roleplaying game and includes:

Two booklets, one containing world lore and adventures and the other the essential rules needed to play.
Six pregenerated characters you can customize with their own unique lifepaths.
An EZ Reference sheet to facilitate game play.
Maps and standees to help bring the world of Cyberpunk to life!
Beautiful dice designed and crafted by Q Workshop.
Post edited May 06, 2020 by Starkrun
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lace_gardenia: [citation needed]
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Rusty_Gunn: A guy can say (a movie with a female lead/predominately female cast) doesn't appeal to him & in this day and age better prepare to be told "He hates womyn." by some very nasty peeps. for example. & yet be "blasted" again for liking another movie with a female lead.

Cries of "...ist's", "...ism's", "....phobic's" & the four-letter N-word has been applied to many people in the past few years that those terms are (to me) de-fanged.
terfs are pretty much the only people who use "womyn" nowadays. just fyi

also, what is the "four-letter n word"? i honestly have no idea here

"nope"? "nair"? "nein"? "neil"?
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RoadTheExile: I've extremely active in political leftist groups and I have never heard any of that shit
Considering how shall we say, selective is a perception of the leftists, I'm not surprised.

FYI, I was called nazi, homophobe, and misogynist on a few occasions.
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LootHunter: FYI, I was called nazi, homophobe, and misogynist on a few occasions.
and what had you done/said before?

thats kinda a thing that matters
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LootHunter: FYI, I was called nazi, homophobe, and misogynist on a few occasions.
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lace_gardenia: and what had you done/said before?

thats kinda a thing that matters
Criticized some characters in some games and films. Asked the definition of a woman.
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RoadTheExile: I've extremely active in political leftist groups and I have never heard any of that shit
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LootHunter: Considering how shall we say, selective is a perception of the leftists, I'm not surprised.

FYI, I was called nazi, homophobe, and misogynist on a few occasions.
I wouldn't be surprised for a reactionary to be called those things, wouldn't be surprised for a reactionary to be those things. i'm just saying that you've all collectively pulled this scenario out of your ass where true apathy to any media that could possibly be called progressive results in widespread derisiveness. It's complete fiction and projection, your side is the one that reacts with extreme hostility to the other side just trying to exist.
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LootHunter: FYI, I was called nazi, homophobe, and misogynist on a few occasions.
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lace_gardenia: and what had you done/said before?

thats kinda a thing that matters
IIRC he was in the Vampire the Masquerade basically saying that trans people were confused men mutilating their genitals under the influence of progressive braIn washing or something like that, and now he knows he's so full of shit that he has to lie about it.

Rereading the thread now and he's making obsessing over trans suicide rates being a reason to deny that transitioning is good, acting like people are being influenced to do so, trying to trans acceptance and bigotry a both sides issue by bringing up some porn star who got in hot water after refusing to do a scene with a trans person then killed themselves and comparing that to LGBTQ people who have been bullied into suicide as if those are equal crises facing society
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lace_gardenia: and what had you done/said before?

thats kinda a thing that matters
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LootHunter: Criticized some characters in some games and films. Asked the definition of a woman.
sure you did

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LootHunter: Considering how shall we say, selective is a perception of the leftists, I'm not surprised.

FYI, I was called nazi, homophobe, and misogynist on a few occasions.
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RoadTheExile: I wouldn't be surprised for a reactionary to be called those things, wouldn't be surprised for a reactionary to be those things. i'm just saying that you've all collectively pulled this scenario out of your ass where true apathy to any media that could possibly be called progressive results in widespread derisiveness. It's complete fiction and projection, your side is the one that reacts with extreme hostility to the other side just trying to exist.
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lace_gardenia: and what had you done/said before?

thats kinda a thing that matters
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RoadTheExile: IIRC he was in the Vampire the Masquerade basically saying that trans people were confused men mutilating their genitals under the influence of progressive braIn washing or something like that, and now he knows he's so full of shit that he has to lie about it.

Rereading the thread now and he's making obsessing over trans suicide rates being a reason to deny that transitioning is good, acting like people are being influenced to do so, trying to trans acceptance and bigotry a both sides issue by bringing up some porn star who got in hot water after refusing to do a scene with a trans person then killed themselves and comparing that to LGBTQ people who have been bullied into suicide as if those are equal crises facing society
yeah, i rather figured. thougth i remembered something in this forum too, but all the reactionary gameboys (tm) tend to look so alike.
Post edited May 06, 2020 by lace_gardenia