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SuccessDenied: You obviously didn't have a closer look at the premium map.
No need to be this combative. I am not your enemy, choom.

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SuccessDenied: These aren't images drawn by Piggyback artists. These are ingame graphics from the actual 3D city model. They most probably created the output through some kind of engine developer tools.
You mean they probably captured reference images in cooperation with the company that made the game and then their employees, let's call them "graphic artists" for lack of a better word, combined the images, worked on them, sharpened them, brushed them up, made it interactive?

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SuccessDenied: And no, I don't care who made which contract about where to host the map and who is allowed to use it exclusively. If CDPR wanted, they could release an equally detailed map as a ZIP file.
Could have released. But I think it's too late now.

Everything a company does requires resources. Sometimes it is better to outsource. I am sure CDPR has artists who could have written and drawn Cyberpunk 2077: Trauma Team and You Have My Word, but there is an existing company, Dark Horse, which specialises in comic books. Why not use their services? Likewise, there is an existing company that makes interactive maps, Piggyback. Why not use their services?

Corpo life be like that.

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SuccessDenied: I'm quite fine with the interactive map hosted by Piggyback. I just want an offline version to go as well.
I am sure fans/modders will come to the rescue. Surely a HQ poster will be available eventually.

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Nephilim88: That's not what I meant,
Oh, believe you me, I'm starting to get what you mean.
Here, you have access to the game files. Make your own interactive map.

https://mapme.com/blog/6-free-tools-for-creating-your-own-maps/
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frogthroat: Oh, believe you me, I'm starting to get what you mean.
Is that sarcasm? 'Cause I'm not sure I like it :)
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Nephilim88: Is that sarcasm? 'Cause I'm not sure I like it :)
Sarcasm, maybe a little. But no, it was not towards you.
Combative? I don't see where my statement was in any way combative. Didn't try to sound like it.

I'm not even going to discuss with you who was involved to what extent in the map making process. Even if CDPR only delivered 90% of the work and some people at Piggyback added some Photoshop filters to it, it won't change my opinion. It is their game, their city, their map. No one forced any contracts on them.

But I already know what you mean. They just didn't want to. They rather wanted to release an always-online DRM'ed map only accessible through a 3rd party service.

Yes, you can call this complaining. Nothing will change if no one complains about anything.

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frogthroat: Oh, believe you me, I'm starting to get what you mean.
So, who is combative now?
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SuccessDenied: Yes, you can call this complaining. Nothing will change if no one complains about anything.
Complaining will not change companies from licensing their IP if it gives their product more market visibility. The only way to combat this would be to not buy any licensed products. And that's not going to happen.

I also consider paid 3rd party maps a bit useless, but I choose the only way that has any effect: I don't pay. But that is only a drop in the ocean and will not have any meaningful effect.

But I do pay for the comics, although Dark Horse has an incredibly tight DRM.

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SuccessDenied: So, who is combative now?
That's frustration.
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frogthroat: The only way to combat this would be to not buy any licensed products. And that's not going to happen.
That's why I'm complaining. Also I have hope, that CDP/GOG does listen to users.

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frogthroat: That's frustration.
Can't we finally agree that we don't agree on this topic?
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I think people are just pissed off you cannot use it offline. Which, i don't care what anyone says, is going against what GOG advertises, even on the store page of that map.

It might set a precedent for future content, that's concerning.
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Nephilim88: Is that sarcasm? 'Cause I'm not sure I like it :)
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frogthroat: Sarcasm, maybe a little. But no, it was not towards you.
Oh ok, sorry then. I swear I can pick up sarcasm and who's it directed to when I'm talking with people, but sometimes I have trouble with the latter when it's only written ^^"
Post edited August 20, 2021 by Nephilim88
My hardback physical Piggyback guide (and the maps it has) are very well written, well organized and DRM free.
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Knightspace: I think people are just pissed off you cannot use it offline. Which, i don't care what anyone says, is going against what GOG advertises, even on the store page of that map.

It might set a precedent for future content, that's concerning.
This is the point, this is the problem.... this is why I am upset.
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Knightspace: I think people are just pissed off you cannot use it offline. Which, i don't care what anyone says, is going against what GOG advertises, even on the store page of that map.

It might set a precedent for future content, that's concerning.
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Starkrun: This is the point, this is the problem.... this is why I am upset.
Guys, once something is outsourced to an external company it's their work and their copyright. They call the shots. So no, I don't see this as a "worrying precedent".
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Nephilim88: So no, I don't see this as a "worrying precedent".
That GOG.com is selling a 100% DRM controlled game/app? like you need to have internet and an account with a 3rd party to use it and authenticate each and every time to access the content?

They are profiting directly from DRM when they used to firmly stand against DRM, how do you not understand this?
Post edited August 22, 2021 by Starkrun
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InfiniteClouds: My hardback physical Piggyback guide (and the maps it has) are very well written, well organized and DRM free.
Boom, conversation is over XD
The problem with a hardcover, physical map is that CDPR has been known to change the location of things in CP77, such as legendary items.

Like the previous early Legendary Overture revolver. It isn't in the known spot anymore. Point is, physical guides gets outdated.

Could be worked around with a coordinate system and personal notes (and every good guide book should have pages for custom notes), but to my knowledge, CP77 doesn't have that without the use of mods.

I do own "Cyberpunk 2077: The Complete Official Guide-Collector's Edition" (damn, that name is a handful), but I've barely looked at it when I saw it was mainly written for console players. It does come with a code for the online map though.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cyberpunk-2077-Complete-Official-Collectors/dp/1911015788

It's also much, MUCH easier to look up a solution to any specific problem online instead of going back and forth in a book, looking for something.

I do NOT condone that online-exclusive Piggyback map though. There should be an offline version, because that is what GoG - which is owned by CDPR - is all about.
Post edited September 09, 2022 by PaladinNO