Posted April 13, 2013
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hedwards: Right, having a KS campaign defrauding people is clearly not a good reason for us to be pissed about being
orcishgamer: Yeah, said "cheating" has been blown way the fuck out of proportion, so yeah, it's WHARGARBLE. And no, the "cheating" as you put it, is not being blown out of proportion, I would never have given them any money to develop what is effectively a Steam only release. Had they said that up front, I would never have given them any money.
So, yes, they were fucking cheating people of their hard earned money. Yes, I do get a game, but I don't get the game that I paid for, I get either a Steam game, which I don't want, or a DRM Free version that's unlikely to see the kind of expansion that the Steam version will get.
It's pretty much inevitable given that the total user base of the DRM free version is less than 36k.
hedwards: Yes, it's a bit of hyperbole, but the bottom line is that the DRM free version is unlikely to see the level of modding that the Steam version will as it's only available to the KS backers.
A game of this sort can have a ton of content that comes from 3rd party developers, and it's really disgusting that the KS backers are going to be stuck loading up a Steam copy to get to play them, especially seeing as it's supposed to be a DRM free game that we were given.
All, I want is what they promised, nothing more. There was no mention made that they would be crippling the KS backer version to appease MS. They could have disclosed it and probably made enough to fund their goal, they just wouldn't have had my money.
orcishgamer: They already stated that sideloading content will work just fine. So anything made for the Steam version will sideload, even using a mod manager to do it. All that community content that was promised will be yours if you want it. A game of this sort can have a ton of content that comes from 3rd party developers, and it's really disgusting that the KS backers are going to be stuck loading up a Steam copy to get to play them, especially seeing as it's supposed to be a DRM free game that we were given.
All, I want is what they promised, nothing more. There was no mention made that they would be crippling the KS backer version to appease MS. They could have disclosed it and probably made enough to fund their goal, they just wouldn't have had my money.
So, all you don't get is some nebulous, unpromised (and untalked about during the KS) DLC. Given that, are you still that angry?
The point here is that they fraudulently claimed to be working on a DRM free game, and now we find out that it's Steam only for anybody that didn't buy a copy during the KS campaign. I don't fund Steam only software.
What's more, I'm being put in a position where their fraud has caused me to buy into something where I'm being forced to either use Steam or do without potentially great content.
I don't think that bitching about fraud is unreasonable. They sure as hell wouldn't have gotten any of my money had they been honest about it.
orcishgamer: No, what they said in the latest update was:
"Backers who want a DRM-free experience with Shadowrun Returns (on Windows, OSX, and Linux) are getting the game, editor and all, and will be able to transfer community-created story files and update executables manually. (It works just like a non-Steam version of Skyrim: you can install mods manually or via a 3rd-party tool such as Nexus.) The DRM-free version will not require any internet connection or any form of online authorization to play.* In addition, Backers who like the convenience and reliability of Steam and who want automatic updates, easy-to-browse content, and a DLC store are getting them."
Is there any other source for the information you're indicating? According to their latest update only their post Berlin DLC will not sideload, ALL user generated content will.
Neobr10: Don't waste your time discussing about it. The DRM-free version is exactly the same as Steam's version except for future DLC that was NOT mentioned in the KS campaign. Backers are getting EXACTLY what they pledged for. But people need a reason to be pissed and moan, even when there's none. I think the only way to make them happy would be to completely eliminate Steam's version and release only the DRM-free version. "Backers who want a DRM-free experience with Shadowrun Returns (on Windows, OSX, and Linux) are getting the game, editor and all, and will be able to transfer community-created story files and update executables manually. (It works just like a non-Steam version of Skyrim: you can install mods manually or via a 3rd-party tool such as Nexus.) The DRM-free version will not require any internet connection or any form of online authorization to play.* In addition, Backers who like the convenience and reliability of Steam and who want automatic updates, easy-to-browse content, and a DLC store are getting them."
Is there any other source for the information you're indicating? According to their latest update only their post Berlin DLC will not sideload, ALL user generated content will.
Remember when Brian Fargo said that Wasteland 2 would be released on Origin too and people got pissed and said that he "sold out" to EA? People just love to moan.
I don't care if they have a Steam release or not, but making it the only source of the software after the KS campaign ended is something they shouldn't have done. And they sure as hell shouldn't be limiting us to the Steam version if and when they release new DLC.
hedwards: Right, having a KS campaign defrauding people is clearly not a good reason for us to be pissed about being cheated.
When they signed EA, IIRC, MS was one of the publishers that they listed as being possibly close.
jackalKnight: At no point did they flat out say MS was imminent. I supplied a longstanding MS policy in regards to XBox. You supplied something you desperately want to happen but had no concrete evidence of. When they signed EA, IIRC, MS was one of the publishers that they listed as being possibly close.
Post edited April 13, 2013 by hedwards