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Posted April 19, 2013
Survey Results: See what the future of GOG.com holds!

A few weeks ago we asked you to fill out a survey about some of the possible new areas of gaming that GOG.com might move into in the future. We also promised that we’d share the results with you, and they are below. Before we get to that, though, we did want to let you know what these mean to us:

1. We remain committed to bringing you guys the best games from all of gaming history, on both PC and Mac. This means that while we’re exploring ways to bring you new games, we also are committed to bringing classics back to life as well. This year alone has seen Omikron, System Shock 2, the Leisure Suit Larry series, Strike Commander, and even Daikatana!

2. DLC is a controversial issue, but something that has been in gaming—by another name—since the very early days. You guys seem to understand that it’s not possible for us to sign new games with all of their DLC (before it is even made) bundled in, and it looks like you’re willing to either buy DLC or not as you find it interesting. As part of our continual efforts to improve the user experience on GOG.com, we will be looking at new, better ways to present DLC in our catalog as well.

3. Selling episodic content before the “season” is finished is also something we’re looking forward to bringing you in the future, and you seem to agree.

4. Season passes—for both DLC and for episodic content—clearly have a mixed perception here. Season passes—if we do offer them—are something that we’ll approach with deliberation to make sure that we’re confident that the content that is promised will all be delivered.

5. Finally, we have somewhat conflicting information on the persistent multiplayer features; when discussed in a very abstract fashion (as it was in the first survey), it’s a very clear “no.” When mentioned in a specific game that we’ve shown you, it’s an equally clear “yes.” What we’re going to be sure of, going forward, is that we’re very careful that any game that we bring you guys with persistent multiplayer features will be at least as offline-friendly as Planetary Annihilation is.

One of the defining characteristics of GOG.com is that the games that we sell have no DRM; this isn't going to change, and we will continue to evaluate the games that we bring to you to make sure that they're not only great games, but great games that we think will fit in well with how we do business.

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Thank you for responding to our surveys in such large numbers. GOG.com would be a mere shadow of itself if it wasn't for its incredible, open, friendly, and active community--that is you!
Post edited April 19, 2013 by G-Doc
Posted April 21, 2013
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SPTX: The point is that there is no actual choice. It's begging for the "yes". "want new stuff? then bend over".

On shadowrun's matter, the simple fact that they have planned DLC even before STARTING working on the game is disgusting. The solution was to just not have DLC and offer a full game from the get go.
Ok, so why is Shadowrun not a "full game"? Would you bother explaining? It features 2 cities with plenty of quests and story content (for those who backed), a level editor to make whatever you want with it and a feature to share and download other players' creations.

Do you really think that back in the day publishers didn't plan expansions before release? Are you that naive? So, they just came up and said "Oh hey, look, i've got an idea we hadn't even thought before, let's make an expansion" all of a sudden? Really?

Also, if we go by your definition, then NO games should be released at all, because there's always some content that they could be added.

Why do people pretend that all the problems with the game's industry started today? Quake mission packs are no different than DLCs offered nowadays. But hey, DLCs are evil. Fuck the greedy publishers.
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SPTX: I'll be there not wasting money then. However I am very I am not crying, I am fighting. Someone has to fix the bullshit you're forcing upon everyone after all.
No one is forcing any "bullshit" on you. The industry changes, the market changes, that's the way things work. You can either deal with it or go away. No one is forcing you to buy DLC, you can always vote with your wallet.

Besides, GOG games alone would last you years of enjoyment. You really don't need any new games if you wish so.
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Fuzzyfireball: He's in such a blind nerd rage right now that arguing with him will only result in a vicious cycle of wasting your time.
You're right.
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JMich: I voted yes for DLC, no for Always Online, and since I'm indifferent about multiplayer I said yes. What does that make me in terms of class and maturity?
That's elitism for you. The "Master Race of Gaming Gods" would never accept such things.
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bhlow: "Mature and classy" gamers understand the way business works. Don't like it? Don't buy it. If you feel like you're being made to "bend over", just don't do it. I also find the phrasing of the questions practical. "Want new stuff? We may have to offer this stuff so we have more bargaining chips with the developers and publishers." The choice "NO" was there the whole time. Nobody's forcing anyone to click "yes".
This, exactly. +1 for you.
Post edited April 21, 2013 by Neobr10
Posted April 21, 2013
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Stefro: I want GOOD oldish games. Complete games, games that I remeber fondly or that I regret not having played at their time.
Yes, i'm also here for the old games, but GOG has already committed to keep releasing old stuff. When GOG announced that new games would be available here there were many users who criticized and predicted "the end of GOG". Now, look how many old games we got after GOG started releasing new games. We got System Shock 2, Omikron, Thief, Soul Reaver, Tomb Raider, Syndicate Wars, some expansions (like Alien Crossfire). It couldn't be any better.
Post edited April 21, 2013 by Neobr10
Posted April 21, 2013
To me the linchpin is DRM free. That and good value. As long as GOG doesn't allow DRM and offers good value, then I'll probably continue to hang around as their customer.

In the meantime I say let them expand and gain more influence. Hopefully they'll eventually be able to convince these publishers to release their more recent titles without DRM.
Post edited April 21, 2013 by JohnnyDollar
Posted April 21, 2013
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SPTX: The point is that there is no actual choice. It's begging for the "yes". "want new stuff? then bend over".

On shadowrun's matter, the simple fact that they have planned DLC even before STARTING working on the game is disgusting. The solution was to just not have DLC and offer a full game from the get go.
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Neobr10: Ok, so why is Shadowrun not a "full game"? Would you bother explaining? It features 2 fucking cities with plenty of quests and story content (for those who backed), a level editor to make whatever you want with it and a feature to share and download other players' creations.

Do you really think that back in the day publishers didn't plan expansions before release? Are you that naive? So, they just came up and said "Oh hey, look, i've got an idea we hadn't even thought before, let's make an expansion" all of a sudden? Really?
Shadowrun is a sort of unusual case; it looks to me (although I can't prove it) like the second city was never intended to be DLC, but then they ran through their budget, and decided to make it DLC so that they can use their profits to finance it.
Post edited April 21, 2013 by BadDecissions
Posted April 22, 2013
Guess I'll just have to keep my fingers crossed that GOG won't end up like so many big publishers have. I thought the question regarding Planetary Annihilation was kinda sneaky, I mean it's a kickstarter indie game, what's not love even if it violates the answers you gave on the poll! Right after they did the original poll I noticed a nice big flood of classic titles suddenly get released as if it make good on all our worries.

Not that it honestly mattered, Uber Entertainment was already talking about using GOG as a distribution platform so I don't think anything we would have said to the contrary would have any effect. I don't have anything against Uber Entertainment or PA I'm just an old curmudgeon who's worried that they're going to end up losing their one and only service to get good old games little by little as it tries to turn into just another digital distribution service, of which there are already far too many to choose from.
Posted April 22, 2013
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Tweed: Not that it honestly mattered, Uber Entertainment was already talking about using GOG as a distribution platform so I don't think anything we would have said to the contrary would have any effect. I don't have anything against Uber Entertainment or PA I'm just an old curmudgeon who's worried that they're going to end up losing their one and only service to get good old games little by little as it tries to turn into just another digital distribution service, of which there are already far too many to choose from.
...and I think they care enough not to do it. GOG is already a big player in digital distribution and those guys are not stupid - they'll not get rid of their main selling points (classics and DRM-free).
TellTale games comes to my mind when I think about a company turning bad. They used to make great point and clicks, often based on some most loved series from the golden age of the genre - and their CEO made an interview where he overuses words like "future" and "modernise". Out of curiosity I checked their forums... there is a lot of negativity thowards those changes and they don't seem to care much as long as they have their interactive movie cash cow (I'm not saying Walking Dead is bad - I haven't checked it yet; I'm just saying that they don't seem to care much about their old p'n'c audience that helped them build the company they are now).
And I don't see any sympthoms of this kind of behaviour from GOG - those guys come to us, talk with us, ask about our opinion, respond to our skepticism, keep doing what they do best: bringing us quality DRM-free games.
Posted April 22, 2013
I didn't take part in the survey, but I will say that I think you guys should pretty much keep doing what you're doing and focus on old games and newer indie/niche titles. Expanding some more with stuff like DLC and episodic games like Telltale's output is totally fine, but don't try and stray too far into homogenization by just selling every AAA games that comes out. Always keep your roots in mind.
Post edited April 22, 2013 by Zap_Rowsdower
Posted April 22, 2013
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Zap_Rowsdower: I didn't take part in the survey, but I will say that I think you guys should pretty much keep doing what you're doing and focus on old games and newer indie/niche titles. Expanding some more with stuff like DLC and episodic games like Telltale's output is totally fine, but don't try and stray too far into homogenization by just selling every AAA games that comes out. Always keep your roots in mind.
My thoughts exactly. I took part in the survey though.
What most concerned me about all the DLC crap was what Zap just mentioned, the high possibility that GOG will focus more & more on newer titles & we will see less releases of the older games that drew the majority of us here.

I have to mention as well that if GOG cared so much for the gamers as it is claiming & aren't simply looking to line their pockets, why don't they implement a more efficient way of bringing us newer games? This survey worked well, so why not try polling so the community can decide fairly what newer released games they'd like each month?

It's clear that a third or so of the community is against what GOG has proposed, so maintaining a balance where everyone can be happy isn't as difficult as it appears, especially in this day & age.
Posted April 22, 2013
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Shayaft: ...so why not try polling so the community can decide fairly what newer released games they'd like each month? ...
Probably everybody likes something different (apart from the Omerta DLCs who almost noone likes). I don't think a community decision would make much sense there. Sure, maybe the occasional game that GOG would reject might find enough buyers, but that's all.
Posted April 22, 2013
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Trilarion: apart from the Omerta DLCs who almost noone likes
I liked the Con Artist, even though I do find it overpriced at $5. Still waiting to grab the Damsel in Distress, but if it's at the same level as Con Artist, it should be good.
Posted April 22, 2013
As a member of the vocal minority:

If you want your DLC, go to Steam. If you want incomplete versions, go to Steam. If you don't mind bowing to AAA publishers demands, Steam is for you. Chances are you don't understand why us old school gamers hate DRM in the first place, so this community isn't the best fit for you.

GOG was about high standards and the golden age of gaming. Sure there are newer games from developers that respect your gaming rights, and these games are welcome here too. But sliding down the slope that offering DLC and Online multiplayer games (with or without cheap, shoddy single player to appease) for the sole purpose of having a larger game catalog risks alienating those in the community that are the largest proponents of this site.

What ever happened to GOG's pledge to give us the most complete edition of game possible? IF a game is going to have DLC, then it's not complete until all the DLC is available. If that's the case, I'm fine waiting for it, packaged all together as an ultimate edition, that because it's a year or so after original release is priced cheaper than the base game originally was anyway.

There are too many game distribution services out there. This change lessens what made so GOG great in the first place, what distinguished it from all the rest. Its the reason that I have re-purchased games I already owned at one point in time or another, to support this community, to support the battle against DRM and DLC. I can only hope and put my faith in the judgement of the owners that they will not abuse these changes, and still keep super high standards.

I agree that many many people on this site that support these changes wouldn't care if games had DRM either. They're the ones that want their Steam keys.
Posted April 22, 2013
pretty awesome of gog to hold this survey. The reaction with omerta is because of the game and content itself, and not a reflection that says the people of gog never want dlc. We want good dlc.
Posted April 22, 2013
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vulchor: If you want your DLC, go to Steam. If you want incomplete versions, go to Steam. If you don't mind bowing to AAA publishers demands, Steam is for you. Chances are you don't understand why us old school gamers hate DRM in the first place, so this community isn't the best fit for you.
I started gaming in the late 70's, went through a lot of machines (Atari, C64, Amiga 600 - 1200, PC's)....and god, am I glad gaming is a lot more convenient today. If this make me something else than an "old school gamer", then I am proud to be so. I also do not mind DLC's....

I like to play me old games, though. Not sure what it makes me.
Post edited April 22, 2013 by amok
Posted April 22, 2013
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Tweed: Guess I'll just have to keep my fingers crossed that GOG won't end up like so many big publishers have. I thought the question regarding Planetary Annihilation was kinda sneaky, I mean it's a kickstarter indie game, what's not love even if it violates the answers you gave on the poll! Right after they did the original poll I noticed a nice big flood of classic titles suddenly get released as if it make good on all our worries.

Not that it honestly mattered, Uber Entertainment was already talking about using GOG as a distribution platform so I don't think anything we would have said to the contrary would have any effect. I don't have anything against Uber Entertainment or PA I'm just an old curmudgeon who's worried that they're going to end up losing their one and only service to get good old games little by little as it tries to turn into just another digital distribution service, of which there are already far too many to choose from.
Here here, curmudgeons alike. Haha. Thanks for that info about PA, I hadn't heard that. I kind of feel kicked in the teeth a little now.
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vulchor: If you want your DLC, go to Steam. If you want incomplete versions, go to Steam. If you don't mind bowing to AAA publishers demands, Steam is for you. Chances are you don't understand why us old school gamers hate DRM in the first place, so this community isn't the best fit for you.
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amok: I started gaming in the late 70's, went through a lot of machines (Atari, C64, Amiga 600 - 1200, PC's)....and god, am I glad gaming is a lot more convenient today. If this make me something else than an "old school gamer", then I am proud to be so. I also do not DRM....

I like to play me old games, though. Not sure what it makes me.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. DLC is largely a scam. It has little to nothing to do with convenience.
Post edited April 22, 2013 by vulchor
Posted April 22, 2013
I don't think I'm gonna buy from GOG anymore if they fully support the DLC and season pass trend. Shame that most people only have started playing games this gen and don't even know what expansion packs are.
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