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zomgieee: It's not that PC gaming isn't worth the hassle.

Modern gaming isn't worth the hassle.

The DRM.
The DLC mentality.
The lack of creativity.
The over-emphasis on multiplayer.
The dumbing down to capture larger demographics

GoG is my PC Gaming.

And as for consoles, whether its on my SNES, N64, Gamecube, Mega Drive, Saturn, Dreamcast or ps1/2, every Ebay purchase I make I can draw comfort from the fact that I am not supporting what has come of 'Modern Gaming', and my PS3 is left to be nothing more than a media streaming device from my NAS.
Yeah, this indie market with all their remakes and DRM infested DLC plagued is really the modern scourge on gaming. I mean, "Dear Eshter", please. Not another generic JRPGs, Or "Terraria" this run of the mill console shooter that badly tries to get some of HALOs success. And don't get me started on "The Binding of Issac", which is just another one of those plattformers with really bad collision mechanics and bad controls.

And the devs of those games! Greedy pigs, they even go to work on top of making their games. They sure as hell don't get my money!
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Parvateshwar: The console is really the territory of the FPS
So, we have finally come to this... :(

Next someone will tell me that the first FPS game ever was some 8-bit Nintendo game.
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Parvateshwar: The console is really the territory of the FPS
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timppu: So, we have finally come to this... :(
Excactly my thought....
I've kinda gotten tired of pc gaming. Last year I got myself a ps2 and I've had so much fun playing some of the greatest games of this platform. Then this year I went 'further' and got myself a ps3 and was kinda disappointed at first, but Uncharted 2 justified me getting this platform. But ps2 keeps rocking on \o/
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Rondel: Getting up to put a disc into a disc drive is the biggest hassle for me.
I genuinely hope that was irony, because otherwise I will have to repeat my comment about some gamers being obnoxiously lazy. The one that got everyone up in arms.
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Parvateshwar: The console is really the territory of the FPS
LOLOLOL!

Hmm... do you want to play 1vs1? You on the console, me on the PC... in theory, of course. Or if you want, get a controller for PC and we'll play a FPS game (you can choose which one). If you win a game, I'll shut up forever.

Or if I pick the game, any Unreal Tournament, Quake or Counter Strike game, and if you manage to kill me once, I'll never say a bad word about consoles again.
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timppu: So, we have finally come to this... :(

Next someone will tell me that the first FPS game ever was some 8-bit Nintendo game.
We should get around and do a 100 PC gamers vs. 1000000 console gamers in Unreal Tournament.

It will be so much fun, especially if the match uses the one shot kill ray gun. :D
Post edited March 14, 2012 by kavazovangel
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Parvateshwar: The console is really the territory of the FPS
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timppu: So, we have finally come to this... :(

Next someone will tell me that the first FPS game ever was some 8-bit Nintendo game.
Actually the first mainstream first-person shooter as we know it was Battlezone for the arcade in 1980.

There's also this little gem, which more resembles what we play today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29sTZedLcWk
Post edited March 14, 2012 by jamyskis
No, never. The PC will always rule them all, eventually. I'm looking forward to see an Xbox 360 emulator within 3 years....
Post edited March 14, 2012 by KingofGnG
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kavazovangel: Hmm... do you want to play 1vs1? You on the console, me on the PC... in theory, of course. Or if you want, get a controller for PC and we'll play a FPS game (you can choose which one). If you win a game, I'll shut up forever.
I remembered this article from a few years ago, it took me awhile to find it but it pretty much sums up that argument.

I'm not saying that the PC hasn't had a fruitful FPS history or that the controls don't allow for more precise gaming but if you look at the sales of the current generation games,the FPS dominates the console market with few exceptions. The PC market is much more diverse and FPS games have to compete with simulation and strategy titles that don't even appear on consoles.

From this we get back to the OP: Why, if PC controls are so much better than consoles, do many gamers still chose consoles over PC? Beats me.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/jul/22/pc-gamers-versus-console-gamers
I tend to actually do spend more time on tweaking and modding, than actually playing games. But that's not exclusive to PC. I got a Wii on friday. Monday I sat in front of my computer, pretty bored, wondering if I could do something with a 2gb micro SD card and a SD adapter. A few hours later my Wii was softmodded. Then I watched X-files.
Post edited March 14, 2012 by sheepdragon
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KingofGnG: No, never. The PC will always rule them all, eventually. I'm looking forward to see an Xbox 360 emulator within 3 years....
Given that PS2 emulation has only just become viable and not even Xbox 1 emulation is yet viable, I think three years to be a extremely optimistic timeframe for a workable X360 emulator.

I would rather guess 10-12 years from now for 360 emulation, 12-15 for PS3.
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Parvateshwar: From this we get back to the OP: Why, if PC controls are so much better than consoles, do many gamers still chose consoles over PC? Beats me.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/jul/22/pc-gamers-versus-console-gamers
That's for your place maybe. Around here 360s are almost non-existent (I only know a one guy from university that has modded 360 because he couldn't pirate games on the PS3), and everybody that I know who has PS3, only plays FIFA or PES, nothing else, as no games are being sold here anyways, these are the games that come when buying the console.

Everyone plays the other games on their PCs / laptops, and nearly everybody is a pirate.

Regardless of how popular a console is, if you put PC and console FPS gamers against each other, the console dude will get mutilated. Of course this will vary, but seriously...

A gaming mouse rolling at 1800dpi minimum versus a console controller... the sun against the moon. :)
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DieRuhe: I've never seen it as a "hassle".

I have a PS3 but rarely use it; my favorite types of games tend to be the "harvest resources, build bases, control many things at once" games, and I find a keyboard and mouse to be no problem at all.

I'd take pc over console any day.
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StingingVelvet: Well obviously those genres are not what I am talking about.
Yes, but as you noticed, I qualified that with "my favorite types of games", and yes, they do happen to be more numerous on pc - but I still prefer pc over console for just about anything.

My point was simply that I don't find keyboard/mouse to be a hassle, no matter what type of game I'm playing - but now as I read your op again, I'm not even quite sure what you're saying. To refer to pc gaming as a "hassle" and then say you always end up going back to it, I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make.

Perhaps it's because I don't bother with mods, tweaks, and graphics. I start a pc game, it runs, I play it. No hassle.

And your op didn't specify particular types of games, which could be, and probably has been, a whole other topic or two.
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DieRuhe: Perhaps it's because I don't bother with mods, tweaks, and graphics. I start a pc game, it runs, I play it. No hassle.
I have the feeling that PC games have never been more stable and easy to get running then now. All the horror of getting a game running on Win 95 or 98.

Kids today don't even know what a "boot disk" is. Or XMS and EMS.

Consoles never had any appeal to me. The only one, besides handhelds, I owned was a Mega Drive + CD + 32X. I loved it, but I was more happy with my PC. With services like Steam or GOG you can simply download a game and it will run (GOG is a bit of an exception, as the games it sells are not made for current PCs, but that is a technical limitation I can live with. And it's better then the backward compability of current PS3s...) With Steam you don't even have to bother with unistalling or savegame backups. PC gaming is childproof nowadays. And whenever a game doesn't run how it should be, a huge ruckus is made about it and you will notice before you buy.
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kavazovangel: That's for your place maybe. Around here 360s are almost non-existent (I only know a one guy from university that has modded 360 because he couldn't pirate games on the PS3), and everybody that I know who has PS3, only plays FIFA or PES, nothing else, as no games are being sold here anyways, these are the games that come when buying the console.
They aren't that common here either, I only knew a couple guys in uni that had a 360 compared to everyone I know from the US having at least one console (one of my American friends had 6...he was a hypster though, so he probably kept that Sega-Dreamcast to be ironic).

I think Japan and the US/Canada make up a majority of the console demographic, the latter could explain the recent FPS craze which is mostly coming from Microsoft. When I did play consoles they didn't seem to have very good language support. That may be one of the reasons they're less popular outside the English/Japanese speaking world, but that's just speculation.