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Piranjade: I personally wouldn't like it. For me it would feel icky. But that's just me. :-)
I also don't like it that 16-years-olds can get married here in Germany (with the agreement of their parents and the court).

But I'm also one of those people who cannot play the Binding of Isaac because the main character looks like a baby.
For example, in Crusader Kings 2, a game from Paradox which is set in medieval Europe you can't marry your children, you can only promise them to be married in the future exactly because they were afraid of making too much controversy.

What a load of crap. This totally breaks all of the attempts to be realistic, historically accurate and all that, just because some crook may get offended. Same goes with Hearts of Iron 3 and lack of svastikas. (but it's obviously ok to show hammer & sickle for some messed up reason)

I can understand why you're not fond of teenagers marrying in real life, but it's just a game, and children there aren't even a represtentation of a real person, they are totally made up.

If anything, it would make much more sense if children were sold as sex slaves to some deviates in Fallout universe, child prostitutes and all.

I can't understand why literature can cover such delicate subjects without much trouble (well, except for Lolita scandal, but that was stupid too), and games cannot. Maybe it's because hardly anybody is reading books nowadays.

Nobody makes a great deal out of Sansa Stark or Daenerys Targaryen in GOT even though in books even Danny is only a teenager and has sex on multiple occasions with her Khal. The amount of heat video games are getting every time they even slightly touch a delicate subject amazes me.
Post edited November 04, 2013 by keeveek
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Piranjade: The game deals with the topic of affairs and betrothal, all the while pointing out that 14 is too young to marry.
From what I know about the game I guess that Elodie failed another Court Manner check and now people think that she's having an affair with Benion which is not true. Such an affair would be scandalous. And not OK.
(I haven't played through the game in a way that lead me to this dialogue yet, admittedly).

You have Elodie stating in other scenes that she's only 14 and too young to marry, you have her father being shocked when another nobleman wants to marry her (and she agrees to a betrothal).

So no, this screenshot doesn't mean that such an affair would be innocent or OK in the context of the game.
From my experience with the game it doesn't deal with an affair between a 31-year-old and a 14-year-old.

It does deal with a 14-year-old that can (depending on her skill set) be too stupid to see why foreign nobles are sending her jewellery and are making compliments.
I know. What's more, keeveek knows that I know, because Judas set the record straight in that thread. keeveek is just (for some weird reason of his own) very insistent on trying to restart a conflict that was resolved long ago.
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Piranjade: I hope this helps. :-)
It IS a really fun game.
If you happen to like that sort of game, which I don't. But I do hope the people who do buy it and enjoy it ;-)
The current consensus on visual novels is that people improperly label this entire way of telling stories as eroge. Yes, there are games in the visual novel framework that are 18+, but there are still a TON of other all-ages titles that do NOT have that content. Those are the kinds of games I'd like to see make it to GOG.com.

Like others have mentioned, games like Steins:gate, Ever 17, and Aselia the Eternal are all examples of Japanese-made VN titles that DO NOT have the 18+ content that people consistently complain about on here.

Yes these games are few and far between when it comes to the English market, but that market can only grow if people realize what these games offer and how they are DIFFERENT than the 18+ titles. The only way this can happen is if these all-ages titles are made widely available to people so that that perception can begin to change.

There's a reason why people enjoy games like Narcissu 1+2 (for tragic stories), Steins;gate (for its thriller/science fiction story), and people STILL talk about Ever17 with fond memories (even though it's been out of print and not legally available anywhere for so long).

We shouldn't need to see a large selection of visual novels to have the CURRENTLY available classics of the genre. This is why in a perfect world I hope to see games like Narcissu 1+2, Steins;gate and Ever17 available here on GOG.com eventually. Some might argue that these are not "games", but great VNs are definitely great experiences that need to be made more available.
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Crosmando: I think the main issue is quality-control, the OP mentioned Ever 17 as an example of VN's that have decent writing, interesting characters and plot, but in reality games like Ever are extremely rare, I mean if you want a VN without hentai and with good enough quality story and production values to be sold I think Ever 17 is pretty much it. I'm not saying that there's not some good VN's out there that do have hentai, but face it there's no chance of GOG selling that stuff here. In Japan the genre is called eroge (erotic game) so there's not much way around it, there are some VN that were written by people who wanted to do a proper story but the only way they could get the VN into the market is by putting hentai in it (Fate-stay Night and Type-Moon stuff is a good example). The genre might have a few gems in it, but the vast majority is smut. And that stuff is only playable with fan-made translation patches.

Also most of the developers/publishers of that stuff probably don't even know anyone outside Japan even cares about that stuff, and would certainly wouldn't authorize or making the effort to license translations/localizations and online distribution.
Might as well start somewhere: see Narcissu 1+2. The company that made it gave permission to Sekai Project (a fan translation group) to try and get their game on Steam and other digital distribution platforms for free to see if there is any interest in getting more all-ages VNs available in the West. While Japanese devs of visual novels recognize the West as a difficult or "impossible" market to crack, more and more Japanese devs are trying to get their work recognized over here as well - even if it's a niche.

I mean, just looking at the console market, Aksys Games are going to be localizing and releasing a PS3 visual novel. That just shows you how much has changed with visual novels over the last couple years.
I definitely want to see VNs here. I want to see Cinders and Solstice here. If people don't like VNs they shouldn't buy them but allow us, few fans, to buy them.
Post edited November 04, 2013 by Romanul
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FlamingFirewire: The current consensus on visual novels is that people improperly label this entire way of telling stories as eroge. Yes, there are games in the visual novel framework that are 18+, but there are still a TON of other all-ages titles that do NOT have that content. Those are the kinds of games I'd like to see make it to GOG.com.

Like others have mentioned, games like Steins:gate, Ever 17, and Aselia the Eternal are all examples of Japanese-made VN titles that DO NOT have the 18+ content that people consistently complain about on here.

Yes these games are few and far between when it comes to the English market, but that market can only grow if people realize what these games offer and how they are DIFFERENT than the 18+ titles. The only way this can happen is if these all-ages titles are made widely available to people so that that perception can begin to change.
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Agreed, they can be a different but very enjoyable nonetheless experience and it's a pity they're misjudged in the west.

The Visual Novel Database is a great place to check out all sorts of VNs - lots of tags to search by.
Here's a listing in alphabetical order with the ones without sexual content.
Who knows, you might find something interesting in there.