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JDelekto: I'm going to go for Windows 10 when it comes out; I have Windows 8.1 at work (so I'm used to it now), but it is one of those things where you wish you could have 'skipped' the "bad" generation. I hear they are reasons they called it "Windows 10", however, in the past.....

In DOS days, even versions of their OS were considered 'bad'. DOS 3.3 was the best, but 4.0 (from a source) ate the date on hard drives. 5.0 was awesome, but 6.0 had issues, the 6.2 had to step it up a bit.

Windows 3.1 was the best of its time too. Windows then decided to go by years.... 95, it was a great thing, Windows 98, not so highly accepted and Windows Millenium was like throwing something out in left field.

Windows NT was still active at the time and converging (funny how they are melding 'all' Windows into one), and Windows NT 3.51 was pretty solid while NT 4.0 with the Workspace shell was getting close to what was becoming Windows 2000.

Windows XP seemed to be that melding of the two, and Windows 2000 with Service Pack 6 was probably the closest thing to XP.

Windows Vista seemed to be a train wreck and they had to save that one by releasing Windows 7 ( a version I currently use and really like), until a bunch of Metro artists decided to turn it into their own art project and start melding it with tablets.

Thus came Windows 8 and 8.1 and 8.1 updates, it worked great for people who liked to touch their screen (for tablets, that's a given), but for monitors, I don't like looking through grubby fingerprints. I think they dropped the ball on the workflow between the 'desktop' and the 'tablet' user and they didn't really go through all the usability testing for desktop users.

Now we have Windows 10, I think they learned their lesson, it's a better hybrid of what they had and more friendly for tablet and desktop users. However, will your legacy software run on Windows 10?

Just as 16-bit Windows applications don't seemingly run on 32-bit Windows systems anymore, there may come a day when 32-bit applications won't run on 64-bit Windows. This is kind of the "move up, or move out" strategy one has to deal with in order to make sure their software can be ported and still working on new systems.

Sad, but true.
I mirror most of your observations and experiences. The legacy software issue is a big one for me, as well as being tied to a MS account to login and simply use my OS, as well as the ever-more pervasive cloud computing. I use a whole smorgasbord of 32-bit programs that I've grown fond of for various applications, trial-and-error tried-and-true over 10+ years, and whilst some are fairly old in build they're still excellent at what they do (much like our beloved Good Old Games) and I'm loathe to give them up.

Disastrous it 'twas in its first incarnation, but Windows 98 SE was actually a very decent iteration of the OS back in the day, and could hold one over until the big day of Windows 2000/XP upgrade. I understood something similar happened with Vista's service packs but then by then the PR debacle made it too late for mass adoption. I predict Windows 7 to become the new "zombie OS" (heir apparent of Windows XP) that people cling tenaciously to, especially people who still primarily use laptop/desktop interfaces with their computers. Especially with businesses that bought a bunch of Windows 7 licenses en masse, again, like XP before it. I know it took forever to get my non-profit to participate in the mass upgrade just to get away from their aging, ancient desktop work XP computers because we were tied to these equally old, in-house computer programs coded for XP that we were running our day-to-day business on. By that time of course distributors were selling their new comps pre-loaded with Win 8 and 8.1.

For those not in the know, a software developer called IObit creates the best Start Menu replacement out there for Win 8 machines to emulate what you knew and loved about Windows 7 (or XP). It does a sterling job of clamping down and smothering all the metro crap too, if you're like me with zero interest in it. There are a bunch, but this (free) on is my favorite: Start Menu 8. We love it where I work; I spread it around like a case of cholera.
Post edited April 20, 2015 by MaridAudran
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HeDanny: My grandpa has had the same axe for 80 years. Its had twelve different handles and seven different heads, but its still his axe.
Is it? Is it really?

You have no idea how friggin' hilarious (and adorable) this is to me. I've actually been laughing about it for ten minutes now, especially since it occurred to me that this is the axe version of Stanislaw Lem's highly philosophical Do You Exist, Mr Jones? (which was about a man who gradually had his entire body replaced by proshetics).
It`s also from Only Fools & Horses where....
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HeDanny: My grandpa has had the same axe for 80 years. Its had twelve different handles and seven different heads, but its still his axe.
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F4LL0UT: Is it? Is it really?

You have no idea how friggin' hilarious (and adorable) this is to me. I've actually been laughing about it for ten minutes now, especially since it occurred to me that this is the axe version of Stanislaw Lem's highly philosophical Do You Exist, Mr Jones? (which was about a man who gradually had his entire body replaced by proshetics).
UY

You got me reading about Stanislaw Lem's work with your post. Interesting chap. Hails from that cerebral idea-driven era of science-fiction, ala J. G. Ballard and the Strugatski brothers from Russia (who are no strangers to film adaptations of their work).
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MaridAudran: You got me reading about Stanislaw Lem's work with your post. Interesting chap. Hails from that cerebral idea-driven era of science-fiction, ala J. G. Ballard and the Strugatski brothers from Russia (who are no strangers to film adaptations of their work).
In case you didn't know, incidentally the first movie adaptation of Stanislaw Lem's Solaris was directed by Andrei Tarkovsky, the same guy who directed Stalker.

But yeah, Lem is one of THE classic sci-fi writers, at some point he was globally the most popular one. Kinda blows my mind that you knew the Strugatskis but not him. Both a brilliant writer and philosopher.
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mnevill: One thing to remember guys, Directx 12, which features excellent multi core CPU support and is supposed to give a huge performance boost over Directx 11, is ONLY ON WINDOWS 10.

Hence why I'll upgrade.
Most games I install still seek for DirectX 9 to be present.
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mnevill: One thing to remember guys, Directx 12, which features excellent multi core CPU support and is supposed to give a huge performance boost over Directx 11, is ONLY ON WINDOWS 10.

Hence why I'll upgrade.
Yeah DirectX 12 is gonna be revolutionary. But not just DirectX 12, the new OpenGL named Vulkan will be doing the same thing. Vulkan borrows a lot of code from AMD's Mantle. Valve is really pushing Vulkan development because they will use that for their SteamOS.

All these next gen APIs have very low overhead and on top of that, they can now utilise all CPUs simultaneously when sending instructions to your graphic card/s. So now your 24-core xeon, with your quad SLI setup and multi-threaded graphics drivers will not be bottlenecked by a single-threaded API!
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comradegarry: Clearly you have never used linux :p upgrading

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5176/5497202855_6e785e0c38_z.jpg
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snowkatt: not beyond trying to install ubunutu on a p2 for a laugh ;p

and that joke in that link is old btw
all updates and version of mac os X are free now i can download mavericks right now if i like
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Darvond: I'm waiting for the massive snag/catch.
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snowkatt: same
i bet it has something to do with the cloud
The OS quoted in the part where you point out that that joke is old is, itself, old! Mavericks is OSX 10.9 - OS X 10.10 (Yosemite) has been out for a while now! :P
(unless 10.9 is the most up to date version your Mac can cope with for some reason, I guess)

The second part? Personally I think that Steve Balmer is a demon and a clause where he owns your soul will be hidden somewhere in the EULA / Ts & Cs, I HAVE been bingeing on Supernatural eps recently though...
Post edited April 22, 2015 by Fever_Discordia
eh im still using snow leopard
i dont like the interface changes in lion and later

and i still use powerpc software
snow leopard is the last os X that still has that

and i generally refer to mac os x

as mac os ecks *insert trendy name here * instead of mac os 10 10.10

calling it 10 and then 10 again is a bit redundant
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snowkatt: eh im still using snow leopard
i dont like the interface changes in lion and later

and i still use powerpc software
snow leopard is the last os X that still has that

and i generally refer to mac os x

as mac os ecks *insert trendy name here * instead of mac os 10 10.10

calling it 10 and then 10 again is a bit redundant
I believe the official spoken naming system is "Mac OS ten <name>" (or just "OS ten <name>" for 10.8 and up, removing the "Mac"). But that might mostly be to avoid "oh, sex".
I for one, will not be getting Windows 10, and since Windows 10 is free, its not the cost. For one, my motherboard doesn't have the new BIOS , my motherboard is 2009 and didn't have that. Two, since the mobo isn't new BIOS it doesn't have Secure Boot, and Windows 10 requires a BIOS to have Secure Boot, which is only in UEFI Bios.

So hardware wise my Windows 7 machine can't take it, but, my partner's Laptop is brand new, and has Windows 7 on it, and I asked if he wanted Windows 10, since its free, but we both agree we like 7 too much.

Windows 10 seems to be a better version of Windows 8/8.1 which is good, because IMO I didn't like Windows 8, and everyone I know who has Windows 8.1 on their PC (here anyways) they don't like it. I love Windows 7 and will keep with it, and also... Windows 10 looks like a mash up of 7 and 8.1 together, like the start menu.

Oh well, I am sure it is a fine OS, I just won't get it for my needs, and I have a lot of Retro DOS and Windows 95 games that I just got to work in 7, and so, I don't want to upgrade to a new OS.

PS... this isn't hate on 10, I think its nice seeing how OS's evolve over time, like I look back at Windows 98.... and now I have Windows 7.... and just from 1998-2015, technology has definitely changed. I remember saving everything on my Windows 98 machine to Floppy Disks, and than onto ZIP disks, my old Pentium 2 machine had a ZIP drive and Floppy Disk Drive, and a fast 52x CD-ROM drive at the time... 350mhz CPU, 256 MB RAM and a GeForce MX 4 something GPU lol, it was "high tech" back than.
Post edited April 22, 2015 by sreamer17ydr
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sreamer17ydr: I for one, will not be getting Windows 10, and since Windows 10 is free, its not the cost. For one, my motherboard doesn't have the new BIOS , my motherboard is 2009 and didn't have that. Two, since the mobo isn't new BIOS it doesn't have Secure Boot, and Windows 10 requires a BIOS to have Secure Boot, which is only in UEFI Bios.
I don't believe that's true. Can you provide a reference? Far as I know, the secure boot requirement is at the OEM level, not the OS level. That is, OEM's are required to provide secure boot in devices which ship with Windows 10. However, if secure boot is turned off (assuming the OEM's provide that feature, which would still be possible), Windows 10 would still work. I assume that Windows 10 will also work with devices which don't have secure boot to begin with.
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sreamer17ydr: I for one, will not be getting Windows 10, and since Windows 10 is free, its not the cost. For one, my motherboard doesn't have the new BIOS , my motherboard is 2009 and didn't have that. Two, since the mobo isn't new BIOS it doesn't have Secure Boot, and Windows 10 requires a BIOS to have Secure Boot, which is only in UEFI Bios.
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ET3D: I don't believe that's true. Can you provide a reference? Far as I know, the secure boot requirement is at the OEM level, not the OS level. That is, OEM's are required to provide secure boot in devices which ship with Windows 10. However, if secure boot is turned off (assuming the OEM's provide that feature, which would still be possible), Windows 10 would still work. I assume that Windows 10 will also work with devices which don't have secure boot to begin with.
I am not sure if its a fact, I just know, from a few articles online, (I haven't researched it really much) PC Venders will have to have that Secure Boot on their devices, but I am not sure how that is on a consumer, installation level type deal. I know on Wikipedia, it says Windows 10 will need a UEFI Secure Boot enabled to be able to have it certified as a device, for the certification sticker, so you might be right its only for OEMs.
Microsoft announced that Windows 10 will have an Android subsystem. This make Windows more interesting for me, although I still prefer the Android UI. We'll see what my next tablet will be.
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ET3D: Microsoft announced that Windows 10 will have an Android subsystem. This make Windows more interesting for me, although I still prefer the Android UI. We'll see what my next tablet will be.
Also an iOS subsystem and as well as full support for web apps, .NET apps and Win32 apps in the new Universal API set. Meaning ANYTHING can utilise the new APIs. <3