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Breja: It doesn't need new movies or games or tv shows to endure and stay relevant. The best thing that could happen to it is for greedy corporations to lose interest in exploiting it. It won't fade away because of that. It's not a product of today's world of disposable entertainment.
Considering it isn't relevant anymore, I disagree.
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Breja: It doesn't need new movies or games or tv shows to endure and stay relevant. The best thing that could happen to it is for greedy corporations to lose interest in exploiting it. It won't fade away because of that. It's not a product of today's world of disposable entertainment.
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Mafwek: Considering it isn't relevant anymore, I disagree.
I'll be sure to make a note of that in my memoirs.
Short answer: Yes

Long answer: A more politically incorrect version of "Yes"
Have Amazon Prime. havent watched the Wheel of Time. I have read several volumes of the series a few years ago....and i gave up.......goes around in circles imho.Still have first 5 volumes. Cant say ill try reading them again.
How bad is the tv/stream series?.

Well as for LOTR - many have read it including me, and many have watched the movies over and over - they would really have to royally fck it up badly to put people off it. ....Inserting political agendas and all that bs.. you know what i mean
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Matewis: Even if they don't, after what happened with GoT I don't really want to invest in a series like that until after it had had its run and shown that it could keep the quality consistent.

Regardless, we'll always have the books, the Peter Jackson films (yes, even The Hobbit - moreso the 1st film than the 2nd, and much moreso the 2nd film than the 3rd), the phenomenal Howard Shore scrores for each film, and a couple of truly excellent games. LotR: The Battle for Middle Earth (1, not 2) is quite possibly the best movie-tie-in-game I've ever played!
I think we should count ourselves lucky that we have as much as we have in the setting, and shouldn't feel too bothered if amazon creates something we don't like. Ditto for Star Wars for that matter.
I would rather have someone create a dark tower series first. It's ripe for adaptation. Amazon does on occasion create decent to good content. Fingers crossed.

Not having any expectations is a good thing.
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Breja: It doesn't need new movies or games or tv shows to endure and stay relevant. The best thing that could happen to it is for greedy corporations to lose interest in exploiting it. It won't fade away because of that. It's not a product of today's world of disposable entertainment.
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Mafwek: Considering it isn't relevant anymore, I disagree.
By "not being relevant", you mean it faded from the collective consciousness and went back to what it always was, a timeless tale constantly being discovered by new generations of readers.

Too bad Amazon couldn't let it be, and had to "add to the lore".

We all know how that goes. Every single time.

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Niggles: Well as for LOTR - many have read it including me, and many have watched the movies over and over - they would really have to royally fck it up badly to put people off it. ....Inserting political agendas and all that bs.. you know what i mean
They already admitted that's exactly what they are doing.
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Dalthnock: By "not being relevant", you mean it faded from the collective consciousness and went back to what it always was, a timeless tale constantly being discovered by new generations of readers.

Too bad Amazon couldn't let it be, and had to "add to the lore".

We all know how that goes. Every single time.
Hardly timeless, considering as a story it isn't even that good. That's not to say that I don't respect Tolkien or LoTR's influence and world building. However I would agree that it's a classic story.

It's not that Lord of the Rings faded from collective consciousness, you still have it's memes, it's more accurate to say that it ain't "trendy" anymore.
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idbeholdME: Evil cannot create, only corrupt.
Well, Arthur Schopenhauer and Marquis de Sade were evil persons, but they did create pretty good philosophical texts. Hell, really good philosophical texts in the case of Schopenhauer. So no, evil can create, and often creates something "good".
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Mafwek: Well, Arthur Schopenhauer [was an] evil person
Could you elaborate on this? Never heard that before.
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rjbuffchix: Could you elaborate on this? Never heard that before.
It's well known that Schopenhauer had a hard character, and he was downright violent at times. He thrown down his landlady down the stairs once during the argument, for which he had to pay compensation for the rest of her life. Other than that, friend who wrote his master's thesis told me that Schopenhauer tried to pay the janitor to sabotage the heating during his rival Hegel's lectures, just because he hated the guy and he was more popular than he was.

Schopenhauer may not be murderer or a criminal, but he was definitively a colossal asshole, which could qualify him as evil, at least according to D&D.
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Dalthnock: By "not being relevant", you mean it faded from the collective consciousness and went back to what it always was, a timeless tale constantly being discovered by new generations of readers.

Too bad Amazon couldn't let it be, and had to "add to the lore".

We all know how that goes. Every single time.
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Mafwek: Hardly timeless, considering as a story it isn't even that good. That's not to say that I don't respect Tolkien or LoTR's influence and world building. However I would agree that it's a classic story.
You don't like it, that's fine. We can't all like the same things. Completely understandable.

I view it as a passing of the torch, as it were, between generations. It's quite possible taht this wasn't Tolkien's intention, it's just how I personally view it.

Gandalf, Elrond, and many of the older people could end Sauron's threat very easily, since they did destroy the much more dangerous Morgoth all those years ago.

But if they are to leave Middle-Earth, they have to know if these new kids, Aragorn included, are at least capable of tackling on an emerging threat. Which they barely did. Younger generations grow ever more weak. Quite poignant.

Again, this may not have been Tolkien's intention, but it does fit.

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Mafwek: It's not that Lord of the Rings faded from collective consciousness, you still have it's memes, it's more accurate to say that it ain't "trendy" anymore.
I fervently wish it would stay that way. Everything that is trendy and mainstream ends up corrupted.
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rjbuffchix: Could you elaborate on this? Never heard that before.
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Mafwek: It's well known that Schopenhauer had a hard character, and he was downright violent at times. He thrown down his landlady down the stairs once during the argument, for which he had to pay compensation for the rest of her life. Other than that, friend who wrote his master's thesis told me that Schopenhauer tried to pay the janitor to sabotage the heating during his rival Hegel's lectures, just because he hated the guy and he was more popular than he was.

Schopenhauer may not be murderer or a criminal, but he was definitively a colossal asshole, which could qualify him as evil, at least according to D&D.
Interesting, didn't want to go too far from the topic but I appreciate the background, Schopenhauer's writings are fascinating so once you mentioned about life outside the writing I was curious. Obviously it doesn't invalidate anything he wrote or argued, ideas stand/fall on their own merits (I know you are not claiming such, but I like to put this disclaimer since some folks do indeed write off someone's valid arguments simply because the person is a jerk outside of the arguments).
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Dalthnock: Gandalf, Elrond, and many of the older people could end Sauron's threat very easily, since they did destroy the much more dangerous Morgoth all those years ago.
You're kind of forgetting it took all the Valar and Maiar, literally the gods of this world, and combined forces of all the elves, and many of the dwarves and men to defeat Morgoth. There's very few elves left in Middle-Earth by the time of the war of the Ring, and really only one useful Maia, in human form with extremely limited powers. No, by no means could they "end Sauron's threat very easily". That's utter nonsense.
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Morgoth ? isnt that a metal band?:O
if not who is that guy?
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Orkhepaj: if not who is that guy?
The original Dark Lord long, long before the events of Lord of the Rings. Sauron was his lieutenant.

There are a lot of rock and metal bands with names taken from Tolkien's books, and even more with songs even albums directly inspired by them, Led Zeppelin being probably the most famous one, with songs such as “Misty Mountain Hop” and “The Battle of Evermore”.
Post edited January 10, 2022 by Breja