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Canuck_Cat: Asking out of curiosity - what logistical barriers are there to buying the cheapest game (135 INR / $1.82 USD) in your country? Seems like a relatively low economic and technological barrier for a 16+ yo to overcome given how prolific online transactions in this age.
Its not games being too expensive; its the payment not going through, as GamezRanker said. Apparently my debit card isn't cleared for international transactions although other Indian users use the site without issue. I checked with my bank and they said I need to do some more fun paperwork and my card can be ''unlocked'', which I haven't done yet.

Indian debit cards (or any online payment) can only be used with a 2-step authentication process (usually a one-time-password sent to your phone) and most sites don't have that kind of checkout process, so the bank probably needs to change something associated with my account for payments to GOG to go through.
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Canuck_Cat: Asking out of curiosity - what logistical barriers are there to buying the cheapest game (135 INR / $1.82 USD) in your country? Seems like a relatively low economic and technological barrier for a 16+ yo to overcome given how prolific online transactions in this age.
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Shadowstalker16: Its not games being too expensive; its the payment not going through, as GamezRanker said. Apparently my debit card isn't cleared for international transactions although other Indian users use the site without issue. I checked with my bank and they said I need to do some more fun paperwork and my card can be ''unlocked'', which I haven't done yet.

Indian debit cards (or any online payment) can only be used with a 2-step authentication process (usually a one-time-password sent to your phone) and most sites don't have that kind of checkout process, so the bank probably needs to change something associated with my account for payments to GOG to go through.
hmm i think that 2 step auth is for the bank transaction , the store only ask the bank server for confirmation of transfer and the store has no job in the auth process at all

isnt there any 3rd party which is accepted by gog and you could pay in with your cards? I bet there should be
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Shadowstalker16: Its not games being too expensive; its the payment not going through, as GamezRanker said. Apparently my debit card isn't cleared for international transactions although other Indian users use the site without issue. I checked with my bank and they said I need to do some more fun paperwork and my card can be ''unlocked'', which I haven't done yet.

Indian debit cards (or any online payment) can only be used with a 2-step authentication process (usually a one-time-password sent to your phone) and most sites don't have that kind of checkout process, so the bank probably needs to change something associated with my account for payments to GOG to go through.
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Orkhepaj: hmm i think that 2 step auth is for the bank transaction , the store only ask the bank server for confirmation of transfer and the store has no job in the auth process at all

isnt there any 3rd party which is accepted by gog and you could pay in with your cards? I bet there should be
Sites either have to have it built in (very rare for international sites, I think steam has it?) or redirect to a page setup by the bank for the 2-step process (which is more common). Either way, there's a place where you have to type it in. I currently buy via trading, haven't checked google pay though.
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Canuck_Cat: Asking out of curiosity - what logistical barriers are there to buying the cheapest game (135 INR / $1.82 USD) in your country? Seems like a relatively low economic and technological barrier for a 16+ yo to overcome given how prolific online transactions in this age.

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watvin: We prefer not to put communications behind a pay-wall, for example if someone had a general query about GOG and had not purchased the game prior, they would not have a chance to post on the forum and seek advice of users (such as yourself) and this is why we don't want to put communications behind a pay-wall.
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Canuck_Cat: Thanks for sharing. What do you think of segmenting the forums into a free subforum for users who need support with account registration and first payments and verified users (with at least one game bought) instead? And once users are verified, they can get authorization to the paid subforums instead.
I see your point, again I must point out to you and anyone who suggested various options above - I appreciate it, anything suggested is forwarded to the relevant teams to consider. From my perspective such subforum would not exactly be a benefit as majority of the general forum users would unlikely participate in that subforum mostly because like you said it would be about basic features such as payments, account registration so it would become more of a support centre than anything. Another point I want to make is how it would separate these users from "normal" forum users, there might be users who have GOG account only for the forum, or let's say after getting to know our community more they would decide "actually, this place is pretty cool, maybe I will buy a game or two, I met a few people on this forum and we're going to play SWAT 4 together" [it's not like you can get this title anywhere else ;)]. If this subforum was to include something like a "general forum", this would then completely separate the two. As far as I'm concerned these spam threads can be annoying, but it's not like they're daily flooding the page, I understand sometimes there might be one or two lingering for a while, but in the end we get rid of them efficiently.
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Shadowstalker16: snip
Thanks for confirming my hunch - appreciated.

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watvin: snip
Awesome, thank you for your detailed thoughts.

or let's say after getting to know our community more they would decide "actually, this place is pretty cool, maybe I will buy a game or two, I met a few people on this forum and we're going to play SWAT 4 together" [it's not like you can get this title anywhere else ;)].
This is a very valid idea. Hard to answer "how active is multiplayer?" threads if staff can't access server stats of third parties or without Galaxy tracking game activity like Steam Charts. However, some communities are either inactive or aren't that welcoming. I still have a couple of unresolved questions myself posted a few months ago and recently.

For the latter, the English general discussion forums house quite a few GOG-jaded users and sometimes their resentment carries over to other threads as AOE damage (e.g., news, 2020 stats, delistings, etc.). They probably have the best intentions for GOG, but the result are snarky, sometimes hostile, responses that leave a poor impression of the community. It's hard to believe GOG has faith in the same community pool to answer newcomer questions adequately and timely enough to leave a good impression.

If:

- GOG is fine with its current moderation efforts (including game subforums)
- Jaded users' root concerns aren't addressed sufficiently
- User reviews don't preemptively address FAQs
- Anticipated community integration and/or forum upgrades don't result in community responses solving newcomer questions timely

then a two-tiered forum proposal should be considered as a short-term fix to better help newcomers and encourage them to buy into the platform with curated responses from staff. I'd just give these resolved-by-staff forum topics as much weight as support tickets for KPI purposes too.
Post edited May 27, 2021 by Canuck_Cat
Fake account (mox883) posting fake message with words that ressemble the thread title in The Witcher 2 subforum: https://www.gog.com/forum/the_witcher_2/full_list_of_mods/post449
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Canuck_Cat: Thanks for confirming my hunch - appreciated.

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watvin: snip
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Canuck_Cat: Awesome, thank you for your detailed thoughts.

or let's say after getting to know our community more they would decide "actually, this place is pretty cool, maybe I will buy a game or two, I met a few people on this forum and we're going to play SWAT 4 together" [it's not like you can get this title anywhere else ;)].
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Canuck_Cat: This is a very valid idea. Hard to answer "how active is multiplayer?" threads if staff can't access server stats of third parties or without Galaxy tracking game activity like Steam Charts. However, some communities are either inactive or aren't that welcoming. I still have a couple of unresolved questions myself posted a few months ago and recently.

For the latter, the English general discussion forums house quite a few GOG-jaded users and sometimes their resentment carries over to other threads as AOE damage (e.g., news, 2020 stats, delistings, etc.). They probably have the best intentions for GOG, but the result are snarky, sometimes hostile, responses that leave a poor impression of the community. It's hard to believe GOG has faith in the same community pool to answer newcomer questions adequately and timely enough to leave a good impression.

If:

- GOG is fine with its current moderation efforts (including game subforums)
- Jaded users' root concerns aren't addressed sufficiently
- User reviews don't preemptively address FAQs
- Anticipated community integration and/or forum upgrades don't result in community responses solving newcomer questions timely

then a two-tiered forum proposal should be considered as a short-term fix to better help newcomers and encourage them to buy into the platform with curated responses from staff. I'd just give these resolved-by-staff forum topics as much weight as support tickets for KPI purposes too.
You don't see how this could managed to end up with more work than addressing the jaded users or improving reponse times to newcommers? Someone actually has to go and select whom gets in what tiers. And you also can't imagine how this would backfire and itnentionalyl get people to find ways to override the system?
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kohlrak: You don't see how this could managed to end up with more work than addressing the jaded users or improving reponse times to newcommers? Someone actually has to go and select whom gets in what tiers. And you also can't imagine how this would backfire and itnentionalyl get people to find ways to override the system?
In the long term, fixing the concerns of jaded users are important, especially if many of them are whales and influencers. I don't work at GOG, so I don't know what the best solution is for them and/or what's happening behind the scenes. Some of the boycott concerns are very consequential and complex issues without hurting current or future revenue streams. Their actions need to be delicate if they want to weather the storm intact.

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The current state of the forums is because of either some gross negligence on their current team or this is some esoteric non-opensource software they contracted a third-party that they don't have access to anymore for some strange reason. I suspect it's the latter, but I don't have all the details.

Anyway, wouldn't it be fairly easy to do with GOG's technical staff? All these bots own zero games (needs to be verified by going through these deleted posts and accounts). And presumably this will all be on an eventual new forum software.

1. All customers who have purchased a game are verified buyers.
2. All new accounts are unverified.
3. The first time you buy any game(s), you're automatically put into a verified buyers group and are granted access to the rest of the forums.
4. If the user refunds their game, they can still have access to the forums so long as their net spent is nonzero.
5. Users can be banned from forums if they're an obvious bot, but their accounts are still active.
Post edited May 27, 2021 by Canuck_Cat
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kohlrak: You don't see how this could managed to end up with more work than addressing the jaded users or improving reponse times to newcommers? Someone actually has to go and select whom gets in what tiers. And you also can't imagine how this would backfire and itnentionalyl get people to find ways to override the system?
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Canuck_Cat: In the long term, fixing the concerns of jaded users are important, especially if many of them are whales and influencers. I don't work at GOG, so I don't know what the best solution is for them and/or what's happening behind the scenes. Some of the boycott concerns are very consequential and complex issues without hurting current or future revenue streams. Their actions need to be delicate if they want to weather the storm intact.
I think GOG put themselves into a hole in this regard. It would seem GOG is trying to make some compromises between the DRM-free crowd and certain developers as a middle-man, and behind closed doors. And the thing is, i think the reason is is because GOG wants the money but it knows that neither side would really ever agree to the compromises being made. It's been going on and even working for quite a few years, and other "drm-free storefronts" have been doing the same thing, but GOG has been the most capable at both having the AAA titles while also somewhat keeping DRM-free, and it is one of those things that can only go on for so long before the whole thing bursts.
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The current state of the forums is because of either some gross negligence on their current team or this is some esoteric non-opensource software they contracted a third-party that they don't have access to anymore for some strange reason. I suspect it's the latter, but I don't have all the details.
I'm going to go with a third option: they are a corporation, so the money is tightly watched and allocated. This also means that the coder(s) responsible for the site are likely working on other projects, one of which is probably constantly fixing the "automated installer setup." My guess is, it's not automated, but they have to lie to investors. It seems to be constantly breaking, and to be honest with us would out the predicament in the office. CDPR and GOG have both been caught lying about things before, so this is not out of the realm of possibility by a long shot. Think of the story, "There Is No Such Thing as Dragons."
Anyway, wouldn't it be fairly easy to do with GOG's technical staff? All these bots own zero games (needs to be verified by going through these deleted posts and accounts). And presumably this will all be on an eventual new forum software.
Not even remotely easy, actually. The most effective method would be to somehow tie the minum purchase requirement in place for gift codes and apply that to the forums, but i think the issue is that GOG doesn't have a testing environment. I think when they make changes, it's all on the live end. This is a big no-no in the industry, but alot of companies do it, anyway. This means making changes is very scary for GOG, because testing things means all goes live.
1. All customers who have purchased a game are verified buyers.
2. All new accounts are unverified.
3. The first time you buy any game(s), you're automatically put into a verified buyers group and are granted access to the rest of the forums.
4. If the user refunds their game, they can still have access to the forums so long as their net spent is nonzero.
There's actually a system currently in place (which i mentioned above) that requires a minimum of 10USD spent in order to buy gift codes. This caused a problem for me and my girlfriend when she wanted to buy a GOG game for me.
5. Users can be banned from forums if they're an obvious bot, but their accounts are still active.
This is more challenging than you realize. Demonstrated by the fact that this is already the policy. I've been informed by people who made bots on the forums that indeed their bots have been banned. The thing is, false positives and negatives are a thing. They tried cutting down on this with captchas, but, well... And, once again, gotta make some changes. It'd be really, really easy to fix the downvote spam that is causing all the rep manipulations, but it's a really, really risky thing to do if you're only going live and can't thoroughly test it. They need to get rid of the rep system altogether or temporarily freeze it while they test some ideas on how to handle that, but i think it comes back to employee and resource allocation in their tight corporation.
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ponczo_:
Pinging, here's another one with zero games: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/residential_cleaning_services_ashford

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Canuck_Cat: (assessing my idea feasibility)
These are great ideas, thanks for the sobre second thoughts. Hope the GOG team can give some feedback on these ideas.
Post edited May 28, 2021 by Canuck_Cat
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Canuck_Cat: Pinging, here's another one with zero games: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/residential_cleaning_services_ashford
Interestingly enough, that user has -1 rep, and this is before their post has many negative votes. This suggests to me that this account will be spotted elsewhere in this thread.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/residential_cleaning_services_ashford
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ConsulCaesar: Fake account (mox883) posting fake message with words that ressemble the thread title in The Witcher 2 subforum: https://www.gog.com/forum/the_witcher_2/full_list_of_mods/post449
Thanks! I took care of it :)

And cleaned ;D
Post edited May 28, 2021 by SmollestLight
A sloppy advertisement that has managed to survive in one of the game-specific subforums since 2019: https://www.gog.com/forum/a_new_beginning/cheap_voip_for_call_center
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ConsulCaesar: A sloppy advertisement that has managed to survive in one of the game-specific subforums since 2019: https://www.gog.com/forum/a_new_beginning/cheap_voip_for_call_center
been removed, thanks