YaTEdiGo: Chakotay is a religious person,
Breja: He's not religious, he's a spiritual person. There's a difference. But more importantly, as much as I love Star Trek for showing a world no longer contrained by religion and superstition, I am also rather relieved by characters like Chakotay. It's good to see different cultures and belief systems still exist there.
YaTEdiGo: STARTREK is a fiction, vulcans doesn´t exist, vulcans have green blood, vulcans are extremely not appealing to be "black" again PC vs PLOT, you want to embrace diversity? make something new beyond stupid living room morals, something with black or asians if you want. The character is a bad copy of Nimoy to appeal stupid concepts about racism, like black nordic gods, the same way Bruce Lee is asian, and Django black. I never want to see a "white" version of them... Tuvok actor is better than to be a black copy of SPOCK, because this is what happens when you do the "diversity version of the WHITE GUY" oh! supergirl! and a superdog too, and superblack... that´s the real RACISM instead of having something new" but because "diversity"... sic...
Breja: Calm down man :) I get where you're coming form, I really do. Just in this case I don't see the problem. If Andorians can be blue, green and chalk white, if Klingons could go from smooth forheads to cranial ridges, if trills appearance could change entirely from TNG to DS9 I see no reason to throw a fit over the possibility of some Vulcans being black. And it's certainly no reason to hate the whole series.
YaTEdiGo: B´elanna a more interesting character than LForge, sic... LForge was never Picard or Data, sure, B´elanna is interesting because is destroying the ¨klingo diversity´ trying to be more like a common NA girl?with common problems... MEH .... but hey... klingon... sometmes... a normal girl that lose her temper from time time, sure, very interesting...
Breja: Actually I meant her Maqui background rather than Klingon. I thought it was interesting to see her progress from the undisciplined maqui with a dislike for starfleet and a lot of personal demons to a confident officer in a authority position, even telling Seven some thing a lot like what she herself heard from Janeway in the beginning.
YaTEdiGo: I seen every single thing released of STARTREK, and I didn´t see any character worse than Neelix ever.
Breja: Wesley Crusher and cpt. Janeway. Yeah, for all my defense of Voyager I do hate Janeway. Although, the reasons for my dislike of her made for some good episodes too, like the great two-parter Equinox. I just recently re-watched it, and it really is awesome. Scorpion and Equinox are among the very best of all Trek double episodes.
Oh, and Voyager menaged to do something impossible- have a fun, likeable kid character who actually contributed to having good episodes. Naomi Wildman rocks.
The series is a total plot crap, never spoiled by a black vulvan, but yes, spoiled by so many stupid things. Ancient tribes had religions, Chakotay has a religion, saying that indian american believes are just spirituality is pretty romantic, and definitively influenced by the religions that conside themselves "serious" vs "minor religions", for them Greek Gods are "fantasy", never a religion. Every single character in the series is bad, even 7 of 9 has many bad moments, even the doctor all the hologram thing is ridiculous for all the constant contradictions, an unnecesary subplot to make a "new" kind of character that lucky only works sometimes because the actor is very good. Tuvok is a black copy of Nimoy, and is a pity, that guy is a good actor, Paris and KIm no comments, Neelix seriously his "fun" is plain Jarjar style, only that JarJar is far more charming... Belanna is as annoying as Rick´s wife in Walking Dead, if not more...
But no, not even this can make the series bad, the worst thing of the series is that is just trying to say "hey this is totally new we are lost in the other side of the galaxy" and the situations they meet are just simply THE SAME, but even WORSE MADE that any, of the other series, no isolation at all (just some episodes) some stupid mini plotsabout resources that never affect much the whole thing because is clear that the tone of the series is very VERY SOFT, space stations everywhere, or outpost, or even know races, if not the typical light make up ones that appear just in one episode (well a mark of Startrek but Voyager was about other thing) and for finish all this mess that also brings some of the worst characters in STATREK ever, an ending that is just fast, bad done, unemotive and boring.
So about kids, yes, of course, because this was the most "STARTREK FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY" ever, not only boring but soft and cheesy.
7 full seasons of CRAP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHboxuzOeDg